Autumn manure banned

[Sonoftheheir]

The last line sums it up.

I don’t honestly think the Government have ever been so messed up in all my 47 years.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Livestock won't work. If the chemicals have left the farm gate in the guise of cereals or livestock it makes no difference. They have to be replaced otherwise everything fails - regardless of the farm having livestock.

The only way to move away from mineral fertiliser is for HMG to recycle human waste. Which would require at the very least admission that HMG don't know what they are doing.

TBH I think they are all nuts.

I don't know, grazing pp with livestock can manage perfectly well without fert.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I don't know, grazing pp with livestock can manage perfectly well without fert.

Are the livestock being fed ex pp ? Or is the stock density so low that it would take decades to effect the soils ?

How are the nutrients being replaced that are leaving the farm gate ?

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Are the livestock being fed ex pp ? Or is the stock density so low that it would take decades to effect the soils ?

How are the nutrients being replaced that are leaving the farm gate ?

Pretty similar to how the great herds of the buffalo, wildebeest etc built the soils of USA or African plains.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Pretty similar to how the great herds of the buffalo, wildebeest etc built the soils of USA or African plains.

Yeah, but they weren't killed, dragged 100s of miles away and eaten then flushed down the loo.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Are the livestock being fed ex pp ? Or is the stock density so low that it would take decades to effect the soils ?

How are the nutrients being replaced that are leaving the farm gate ?

Minerals are brought up from much deeper in the soil by the deeper rooting plants in diverse forage. There an abundance of nitrogen in the atmosphere of we manage things right.
Phosphorus is probably the most awkward nutrient.

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Has anyone had a EA visit regarding this? I feel rather hacked off that I worried a great deal about it at the time, only for it to go incredibly quiet about since. Are they not enforcing it? Have they decided it’s unworkable?

 

[texelburger]

Interestingly I had a conversation with a chap who has a part time job with the EA taking water samples on a stretch of the River Wye near us.He said all summer and early autumn the tests revealed minute ,inconsequential levels of N & P. We then had a deluge of rain in early October and he went and checked the local water works and found neat sewage being discharged into the river.He then checked water samples which showed much higher levels of Phosphate and slightly higher N but still within tolerance.
In his opinion the water/ sewage treatment companies are the main culprits for river pollution.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Interestingly I had a conversation with a chap who has a part time job with the EA taking water samples on a stretch of the River Wye near us.He said all summer and early autumn the tests revealed minute ,inconsequential levels of N & P. We then had a deluge of rain in early October and he went and checked the local water works and found neat sewage being discharged into the river.He then checked water samples which showed much higher levels of Phosphate and slightly higher N but still within tolerance.
In his opinion the water/ sewage treatment companies are the main culprits for river pollution.

Well that's a career stopper right there.

 

[Pan mixer]

Has anyone had a EA visit regarding this? I feel rather hacked off that I worried a great deal about it at the time, only for it to go incredibly quiet about since. Are they not enforcing it? Have they decided it’s unworkable?

Someone said that the new inspectors don't start until December.

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Someone said that the new inspectors don't start until December.

Ah, I guess they’ve been in training? I was hoping they’d forgot all about it.

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

My EA contact said the whole thing was a debarcle and they are still only wanting to police the big winter polluters. And leave normal good farming practice alone.

So that's good news! Common sense being applied

 

[Sonoftheheir]

My EA contact said the whole thing was a debarcle and they are still only wanting to police the big winter polluters. And leave normal good farming practice alone.

So that's good news! Common sense being applied

Water companies?!

 

[___\0/___]

My EA contact said the whole thing was a debarcle and they are still only wanting to police the big winter polluters. And leave normal good farming practice alone.

So that's good news! Common sense being applied

Possible problem could be local groups reporting you. Big push here to fence off rivers came from local fishing groups constantly reporting damage caused by cattle. We had a bit that wasn't that bad but sepa said if I didn't fence it off they would get a phone call from fishermen complaining. So you get someone who knows the rules with a camera phone forcing the EA into action.

 

[teslacoils]

"statutory duty to investigate"

Contrast with plod who seem not to have a statutory duty to arrest criminals.

 

[Nearly]

Someone said that the new inspectors don't start until December.

Ah, I guess they’ve been in training? I was hoping they’d forgot all about it.

Training booked for between 09.00 and 09.15 on 1st December.

 

[Hindsight]

My EA contact said the whole thing was a debarcle and they are still only wanting to police the big winter polluters. And leave normal good farming practice alone.

So that's good news! Common sense being applied

Poultry manure and slurries were and will still be the target.

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

Poultry manure and slurries were and will still be the target.

I thinkk he was more meaning dumping slurry in middle of winter and runoff into rivers plus contractors going round blathering onto unsuitable wet ground. And waste companies dumping in rivers

Let's face it that is the real problem

 

[Sonoftheheir]

I thinkk he was more meaning dumping slurry in middle of winter and runoff into rivers plus contractors going round blathering onto unsuitable wet ground. And waste companies dumping in rivers

Let's face it that is the real problem

Don’t think there was much run off this autumn with our near 50% dry matter cattle manure. Spread in September with minimal rain since.

 

[Brisel]

Don’t think there was much run off this autumn with our near 50% dry matter cattle manure. Spread in September with minimal rain since.

Still some potential nitrate leaching later in the winter when plant growth has stopped and there is more rain washing through the soil profile down to the drains.