Axial flow, lexion eater?

vardy

New Member
As a current Lexion 580+user I was pleasantly surprised by demo of 9230 axial flow today. It was on tracks and had the folding spout with adjustable end bit, bit of a gimmick that in my opinion.

Not all rosy header on/off was a bit of a faff with multiple cables to attach and dividers to remove etc but when going was doing a great job.

Probably comparing apples and pears as my lexion is an '07 and this was brand new but case was going a little faster with fewer losses and a better sample so I think must have more output than claas 580+.

Nice cab and controls too, better environment for the operator. When showed around the machine the simplicity of threshing and driveline really was an eye opener compared to a 'conventional' combine, only 7belts and chains on it!

Made me wonder if it would be cheaper to service and run?

Not had a quote yet but put off claas by their astronomical asking prices for a new wide bodied machine, however their vice like grip on the 2nd hand market keeps ownership costs reasonable. Not sure case will be so easy to move on with 2000 hours on clock!

As a lexion stalwart today has really made me think there could be an alternative?







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tw15

Member
Location
DORSET
Axialflow combines are very sort after for export to france euro exchange rate helps a lot if it in your
favor.
As far as comparing the 2 i would say axialflow any day over a class just think of what you could do with the cash you save by going case instead of class for a start.
 

combineguy

Member
Location
New Zealand
Hi

We went from an Axial Flow 9120 small tube to an Lexion 770.

The lexion has the edge over the Case in terms of through put. We had both in the same paddock but we had an FD70 on Case and the Claas had there 1050 front and the Claas was out doing the Case.

Straw quality is better out of the Claas especially the straw spread and evenness.

The Claas is much easier to adjust for the different crops and you can easily adjust the seperation and thteshing. We would spend up to an hour adjusting the Case for the different crops. What made it worse was when we had to adjust the vanes.

Our biggest issue was dealing with damp oat straw, the Case would just plug the concave and so losses would be sky high. When we had adjusted the Case the Claas was still 10t/hr more than the Case

The Case has a better cab and operating console and a far superior sieve levelling system. Our biggest problem with the Claas is over loading the returns with clean grain, so much that it overloads and you need to get out and open the flap, but you loose grain on the ground.
 
Hi

We went from an Axial Flow 9120 small tube to an Lexion 770.

The lexion has the edge over the Case in terms of through put. We had both in the same paddock but we had an FD70 on Case and the Claas had there 1050 front and the Claas was out doing the Case.

Straw quality is better out of the Claas especially the straw spread and evenness.

The Claas is much easier to adjust for the different crops and you can easily adjust the seperation and thteshing. We would spend up to an hour adjusting the Case for the different crops. What made it worse was when we had to adjust the vanes.

Our biggest issue was dealing with damp oat straw, the Case would just plug the concave and so losses would be sky high. When we had adjusted the Case the Claas was still 10t/hr more than the Case

The Case has a better cab and operating console and a far superior sieve levelling system. Our biggest problem with the Claas is over loading the returns with clean grain, so much that it overloads and you need to get out and open the flap, but you loose grain on the ground.

Theres not a lot you can do with losses either when cutting up a bank as the levelling system is poor compared to others on the market. I really like the axial flow though purely for its simplicity and if it gets blocked you just open the panels up and reverse the rotor. If you block a lexion you put your overalls on and get dirty for the rest of the day.
 

bluegreen

Member
Its worth pointing out that the Axial flow 9120 has the same engine as NH9080 AND 580+(530HP)......................The new 9230 Axial flow has the same engine as the SCR NH9090 (571HP) so it will have higher output than a 580+...........................I would guess that a 9230 performance should be somewhere between a Lex 760 narrow body and the bigger 770 all fitted with 35ftrs.

Keith Challen the FWI farmer switched from a Lex 580+ to the new 9230 for this season and I recall his previous farm set a world record for tonnage in 24hours with the Claas...................so he must have been very convinced by the CASE to have changed brands.
 

tw15

Member
Location
DORSET
The hundreds of axialflows used by custom cutters in the states can only tell you something they cant be wrong. Dont like to be a follower of fashion give me a case anyday over class .
 

grumpy

Member
Location
Fife
The hundreds of axialflows used by custom cutters in the states can only tell you something they cant be wrong. Dont like to be a follower of fashion give me a case anyday over class .
lexions were built for European conditions as in huge crops,case and jd come up short here as they cant cope with the amount of straw and not cutting at 12%.that said im a big fan of the axial flow awesome machine but leaves chaff to bale behind.
 

Fuzzy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
As a current Lexion 580+user I was pleasantly surprised by demo of 9230 axial flow today. It was on tracks and had the folding spout with adjustable end bit, bit of a gimmick that in my opinion.

Not all rosy header on/off was a bit of a faff with multiple cables to attach and dividers to remove etc but when going was doing a great job.

Probably comparing apples and pears as my lexion is an '07 and this was brand new but case was going a little faster with fewer losses and a better sample so I think must have more output than claas 580+.

Nice cab and controls too, better environment for the operator. When showed around the machine the simplicity of threshing and driveline really was an eye opener compared to a 'conventional' combine, only 7belts and chains on it!

Made me wonder if it would be cheaper to service and run?

Not had a quote yet but put off claas by their astronomical asking prices for a new wide bodied machine, however their vice like grip on the 2nd hand market keeps ownership costs reasonable. Not sure case will be so easy to move on with 2000 hours on clock!

As a lexion stalwart today has really made me think there could be an alternative?







,
Now before you get carried away, remember back to the damp conditions last year, and then ask yourself which combine you think would be better ???
This year has been a very easy combining year for most people. Properly ripe crops, dry conditions etc... ideal for a US built combine !!
 

homefarm

Member
Location
N.West
Axial flow is really a maize harvester which is where Case make their money and invest their R&D. If you are willing to experiment fit alternative non Case parts they can be a fantastic grain combine especially rounduped wheat, well that has been our experience.
The small tube rotor is perhaps a good example, A good improvement, straw quality much improved, but it is the rice rotor, no new investment, which it took them 30 years to try in grain.
They do sell well into France for what they are built for harvesting maize and have give us cheap combing since 1990.
 

vardy

New Member
Now before you get carried away, remember back to the damp conditions last year, and then ask yourself which combine you think would be better ???
This year has been a very easy combining year for most people. Properly ripe crops, dry conditions etc... ideal for a US built combine !!
I know what you mean about good harvesting conditions but the combines were side by side in the same field and the Lex was no fun last year ! Would'nt feed right and poor output and lots of blockages and breakdowns.
However dealer was fantastic at keeping us going and the backup was unbeatable .conditions last year were not typical but I don't think claas combines fared much better than the opposition.
I run Lex because the product is well engineered and the dealers are combine specialists. BUT I am not completely blinkered by brand loyalty and with arable margins looking tighter than they have for some time there is no harm in seeing if you can achieve a similar outcome for less cost. Isn't that what do all the time?
I have not done a fully costed a analysis yet but will consider it when the dust settles on harvest 2013.
 

Niels

Member
I know what you mean about good harvesting conditions but the combines were side by side in the same field and the Lex was no fun last year ! Would'nt feed right and poor output and lots of blockages and breakdowns.
However dealer was fantastic at keeping us going and the backup was unbeatable .conditions last year were not typical but I don't think claas combines fared much better than the opposition.
I run Lex because the product is well engineered and the dealers are combine specialists. BUT I am not completely blinkered by brand loyalty and with arable margins looking tighter than they have for some time there is no harm in seeing if you can achieve a similar outcome for less cost. Isn't that what do all the time?
I have not done a fully costed a analysis yet but will consider it when the dust settles on harvest 2013.
Probably best to wait for a quote for both machines and see which one comes out best? That is what it comes down to in the end. If it really is a world apart the Claas will have to be VERY good. If the difference is small, why bother. Seems to me you have already taken a big liking for the Axial-Flow! ;)
 

combineguy

Member
Location
New Zealand
Hi

I would be vary of changing a combine just no the basis of one demo.

One thing we don't miss is the down time caused by changing concaves and vanes for different crops.

Its the entire package which is important.
 

Thomas Simpson

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
N.Yorkshire
There is very little down time with them as concaves are very easy to change and its very easy now to put side knives on for oilseed rape. Press a button and the header floor moves out. A good example of the difference between lexion and axial flow a near neighbour was cutting osr and wrapped his rotors with rubbish they had to get claas out to take them out. Axial flow you can just reverse the rotor, de slug a very useful tool in a tough year(which seem to happen alot)
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
There is very little down time with them as concaves are very easy to change and its very easy now to put side knives on for oilseed rape. Press a button and the header floor moves out. A good example of the difference between lexion and axial flow a near neighbour was cutting osr and wrapped his rotors with rubbish they had to get claas out to take them out. Axial flow you can just reverse the rotor, de slug a very useful tool in a tough year(which seem to happen alot)

You have to be pretty inexperienced or stupid to plug a lexion rotor but I agree if you do it's no fun and Claas really should find a way to reverse them to unplug
 

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