Axial or Topik control AMG

[Hereward]

Does Axial or Topik control annual meadow grass or is just the Atlantis type herbicides that will do anything this late in the season.

 

[Brisel]

What's the crop? Your herbicide names suggest wheat.

Atlantis won't do much this late and you'll hit the crop hard. IMO the time has passed for AMG control. Is it in ear yet? Once it's in stem extension you will struggle. Have you tested the soil pH in the bad patches of AMG?

 

[Hereward]

What's the crop? Your herbicide names suggest wheat.

Atlantis won't do much this late and you'll hit the crop hard. IMO the time has passed for AMG control. Is it in ear yet? Once it's in stem extension you will struggle. Have you tested the soil pH in the bad patches of AMG?

Yes Wheat, got to spray for Wild Oats anyhow, its just whether to risk the crop damage of Atlantis, if Topil or Axial offered some even partial control I'd favour them.

 

[Brisel]

I've never tried Axial or Topik for AMG control. Like you, I only use them for wild oats.

Rough meadow grass is on the Topik label but only to 3 tillers. No mention of meadow grass at all on the Axial Pro label.

 

[Wombat]

What's the crop? Your herbicide names suggest wheat.

Atlantis won't do much this late and you'll hit the crop hard. IMO the time has passed for AMG control. Is it in ear yet? Once it's in stem extension you will struggle. Have you tested the soil pH in the bad patches of AMG?

We sprayed some hatra last week and it’s doing a cracking job on bg but we are further north so later in the season, have another bit to do tomorrow as it’s been too cold the last week

 

[Brisel]

Othello is essentially a weaker version of Atlantis & it is very good on AMG, but does need to be on early when the grass is smaller.

 

[Clive]

Broadway Star applied 2 weeks ago doing a great job, its getting late but probably not too late if desperate ?

 

[ollie989898]

Othello is essentially a weaker version of Atlantis & it is very good on AMG, but does need to be on early when the grass is smaller.

Othello also contains DFF and certainly wants to be done early whilst crops are winter hardened and not really awake. I would be wary of applying it to a big angry crop now with big weeds in it.

I'm not convinced axial or topik will do too much to a grown up AMG plant now. I've tried and had unimpressive results. This warm/cold weather won't help anything ALS either.

 

[ollie989898]

Broadway Star applied 2 weeks ago doing a great job, its getting late but probably not too late if desperate ?

Won't do anything to AMG, obviously will kill the wild oats though.

 

[Hereward]

Think I'm going to bite the bullet and Atlantis it, I'm sure it will stunt the AMG if not kill it outright.

 

[ollie989898]

Think I'm going to bite the bullet and Atlantis it, I'm sure it will stunt the AMG if not kill it outright.

It will slow it up, might even yellow it up and stop it until harvest, if not, just pre-harvest roundup the crop.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Does Pacifica not work a bit later than atlantis or something?

 

[ollie989898]

Does Pacifica not work a bit later than atlantis or something?

Yes, both Atlantis and Pacifica can be applied quite late, I have done them on wheat before for big wild oats.

Conversely, I once did Pacifica in March on a crop that was jiggered in AMG and the stuff survived....

 

[Brisel]

Does Pacifica not work a bit later than atlantis or something?

Yes. You get the added benefit of not needing any other PGRs on the crop & you'll save on some grain store space too. Just don't apply it to a hot stressed crop.

Pacifica is label approved to GS39 but that's far too late for any grass weed control.

 

[Hereward]

Yes. You get the added benefit of not needing any other PGRs on the crop & you'll save on some grain store space too. Just don't apply it to a hot stressed crop.

Pacifica is label approved to GS39 but that's far too late for any grass weed control.

I don't think its that bad, I've had bad crop damage from spraying in March just as the crops getting going, but once its well into spring it knocks it, but not as bad.

 

[Brisel]

I guess you'll have to decide whether risking crop stress outweighs yield loss and seed return from the meadow grass.

 

[Hereward]

I guess you'll have to decide whether risking crop stress outweighs yield loss and seed return from the meadow grass.

Horus and Biopower will be here in the morning, I suspect there will be little in it, but might make harvest less stressful if its damp!

 

[Brisel]

I think people underestimate the issues weed seed return brings. Good luck & please let us know how it works.

 

[Wombat]

Horus and Biopower will be here in the morning, I suspect there will be little in it, but might make harvest less stressful if its damp!

I am spraying wheat with hatra in the morning so I am sure it will have a real go at amg.

 

[FarmerBruce]

Othello also contains DFF and certainly wants to be done early whilst crops are winter hardened and not really awake. I would be wary of applying it to a big angry crop now with big weeds in it.

I'm not convinced axial or topik will do too much to a grown up AMG plant now. I've tried and had unimpressive results. This warm/cold weather won't help anything ALS either.

@Spencer