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could someone please explain in an easily understanable way what is the the backstop as ive asked loads of folks from all walks and nobody can tell me
The backstop simply explainedcould someone please explain in an easily understanable way what is the the backstop as ive asked loads of folks from all walks and nobody can tell me
What I see is this,thanks, having read and tried to understand the issue. correct me if im wrong but as i see it nobody wants a hard border between the republic and northern ireland and want all standards etc to remain the same as they are now. it is also surely the case that in order to facilitate trade between the rest of europe and the rest of uk any trade deals etc will be based on the same , so where is the problem cos if we dont have a deal the whole lot of us face a hard border and the folks who will be worse off are the inhabitants of the whole of ireland as the dublin ferries and other commercial ports carry most of the goods both ways
so the whole deal as mrs may is pushing for revolves around the ulster unionists, who never want to be part of a whole ireland but at the same time dont want a border between the twoWhat I see is this,
1, The Good Friday Agreement says no hard border in Ireland
2, Theresa May says no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK
3, If the UK Brexits and leaves the Single Market and The Customs Union there needs to be a hard border between the UK and the EU
It is a circle that can't be squared.
so the whole deal as mrs may is pushing for revolves around the ulster unionists, who never want to be part of a whole ireland but at the same time dont want a border between the two
so the end result could well mean cliff edge brexit for the whole uk and a border along with no cu or sm of anyshape without some tweeked backstop getting agreed so they end up with what they dont want .( think theres a saying out there)Plus the people of NI want to be in the EU, CU and SM.
so the end result could well mean cliff edge brexit for the whole uk and a border along with no cu or sm of anyshape without some tweeked backstop getting agreed so they end up with what they dont want .( think theres a saying out there)
Quite agree ..It's madness , utter insanity.having just seen the news re confidence vote seems the conservatives are hell bent on destroying my countrys future and that of my grandkids
What I see is this,
1, The Good Friday Agreement says no hard border in Ireland
2, Theresa May says no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK
3, If the UK Brexits and leaves the Single Market and The Customs Union there needs to be a hard border between the UK and the EU
It is a circle that can't be squared.
Entirely correct and some of the comments above clearly indicate that they were written in ignorance of this, or in an effort to make mischief.The Belfast Agreement does not contain any references to no border.
so the end result could well mean cliff edge brexit for the whole uk and a border along with no cu or sm of anyshape without some tweeked backstop getting agreed so they end up with what they dont want .( think theres a saying out there)
The Belfast Agreement does not contain any references to no border.
how do you know that ?Plus the people of NI want to be in the EU, CU and SM.
but if there is no agreement when we leave what happens to the border ?I think this is a very narrow statement and offers no explanation, maybe on purpose I don't know... The agreement states & spirit of it is that there are three strands Internal NI, All Ireland and the UK, any divergence from closeness of the three strands would contravene the spirit and tenets of the agreement.
Reality is any physical border checks would be completely against the spirit & tenet of the agreement. While understanding none of the parties involved in the agreement would be 100% in favour it has worked for 20 years well better than before anyway. God forbid you d like your neighbours who culturally and politically have a different view point would like to keep their free movement without barriers they agreed to for their daily lives. I'm no nationalist from it, but this agreement is complex and needs to be due to three strands all parties signed up to it and all parties need to adhere to their responsibilities under it. Remarks this week of just drop the backstop, cop on or you ll end up with a united Ireland, and its Irelands fault somehow completely show a lack of knowledge around the complexity of this situation tbh.
but if there is no agreement when we leave what happens to the border ?
say the UK leaves and just docent bother to enforce the border ?
I think this is a very narrow statement and offers no explanation, maybe on purpose I don't know... The agreement states & spirit of it is that there are three strands Internal NI, All Ireland and the UK, any divergence from closeness of the three strands would contravene the spirit and tenets of the agreement.
Reality is any physical border checks would be completely against the spirit & tenet of the agreement. While understanding none of the parties involved in the agreement would be 100% in favour it has worked for 20 years well better than before anyway. God forbid you d like your neighbours who culturally and politically have a different view point would like to keep their free movement without barriers they agreed to for their daily lives. I'm no nationalist from it, but this agreement is complex and needs to be due to three strands all parties signed up to it and all parties need to adhere to their responsibilities under it. Remarks this week of just drop the backstop, cop on or you ll end up with a united Ireland, and its Irelands fault somehow completely show a lack of knowledge around the complexity of this situation tbh.