backstop

[4course]

could someone please explain in an easily understanable way what is the the backstop as ive asked loads of folks from all walks and nobody can tell me

 

[le bon paysan]

could someone please explain in an easily understanable way what is the the backstop as ive asked loads of folks from all walks and nobody can tell me

The backstop simply explained
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-44615404

 

[4course]

thanks, having read and tried to understand the issue. correct me if im wrong but as i see it nobody wants a hard border between the republic and northern ireland and want all standards etc to remain the same as they are now. it is also surely the case that in order to facilitate trade between the rest of europe and the rest of uk any trade deals etc will be based on the same , so where is the problem cos if we dont have a deal the whole lot of us face a hard border and the folks who will be worse off are the inhabitants of the whole of ireland as the dublin ferries and other commercial ports carry most of the goods both ways

 

[Still Farming]

Want biscuit and eat it !

 

[le bon paysan]

thanks, having read and tried to understand the issue. correct me if im wrong but as i see it nobody wants a hard border between the republic and northern ireland and want all standards etc to remain the same as they are now. it is also surely the case that in order to facilitate trade between the rest of europe and the rest of uk any trade deals etc will be based on the same , so where is the problem cos if we dont have a deal the whole lot of us face a hard border and the folks who will be worse off are the inhabitants of the whole of ireland as the dublin ferries and other commercial ports carry most of the goods both ways

What I see is this,
1, The Good Friday Agreement says no hard border in Ireland
2, Theresa May says no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK
3, If the UK Brexits and leaves the Single Market and The Customs Union there needs to be a hard border between the UK and the EU
It is a circle that can't be squared.

 

[4course]

What I see is this,
1, The Good Friday Agreement says no hard border in Ireland
2, Theresa May says no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK
3, If the UK Brexits and leaves the Single Market and The Customs Union there needs to be a hard border between the UK and the EU
It is a circle that can't be squared.

so the whole deal as mrs may is pushing for revolves around the ulster unionists, who never want to be part of a whole ireland but at the same time dont want a border between the two

 

[Ashtree]

so the whole deal as mrs may is pushing for revolves around the ulster unionists, who never want to be part of a whole ireland but at the same time dont want a border between the two

Plus the people of NI want to be in the EU, CU and SM.

 

[4course]

Plus the people of NI want to be in the EU, CU and SM.

so the end result could well mean cliff edge brexit for the whole uk and a border along with no cu or sm of anyshape without some tweeked backstop getting agreed so they end up with what they dont want .( think theres a saying out there)

 

[Ashtree]

so the end result could well mean cliff edge brexit for the whole uk and a border along with no cu or sm of anyshape without some tweeked backstop getting agreed so they end up with what they dont want .( think theres a saying out there)

Yip!!

 

[4course]

having just seen the news re confidence vote seems the conservatives are hell bent on destroying my countrys future and that of my grandkids

 

[tje]

having just seen the news re confidence vote seems the conservatives are hell bent on destroying my countrys future and that of my grandkids

Quite agree ..It's madness , utter insanity.

 

[nivilla1982]

The Belfast Agreement does not contain any references to no border.

 

[wanton dwarf]

What I see is this,
1, The Good Friday Agreement says no hard border in Ireland
2, Theresa May says no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK
3, If the UK Brexits and leaves the Single Market and The Customs Union there needs to be a hard border between the UK and the EU
It is a circle that can't be squared.

There doesn't need to be a hard border between Southern & Northen Ireland.

Ireland isn't in Schengen .. if there was a need for a hard border there would be one NOW.

Quite literally the only need would be to check some lorries transitioning the border.

Institute a green lane as all European airports have .. and spot check those who are most likely to be lying.

Case closed.

 

[Danllan]

The Belfast Agreement does not contain any references to no border.

Entirely correct and some of the comments above clearly indicate that they were written in ignorance of this, or in an effort to make mischief.

 

[wanton dwarf]

so the end result could well mean cliff edge brexit for the whole uk and a border along with no cu or sm of anyshape without some tweeked backstop getting agreed so they end up with what they dont want .( think theres a saying out there)

We currently have Hard Remain.

Yet the whole country voted to Leave the EU with the largets EVER democratic vote.

We live in a democracy.

Leaving the EU is not about a border in Ireland where a few people can't decide where they live or their allegances lie. Nor is leaving the EU about Remoaners coming up with excuses not to Leave.

We ARE leaving.

Better to come up with solutions rather than childish excuses.

 

[Joe]

The Belfast Agreement does not contain any references to no border.

I think this is a very narrow statement and offers no explanation, maybe on purpose I don't know... The agreement states & spirit of it is that there are three strands Internal NI, All Ireland and the UK, any divergence from closeness of the three strands would contravene the spirit and tenets of the agreement.

Reality is any physical border checks would be completely against the spirit & tenet of the agreement. While understanding none of the parties involved in the agreement would be 100% in favour it has worked for 20 years well better than before anyway. God forbid you d like your neighbours who culturally and politically have a different view point would like to keep their free movement without barriers they agreed to for their daily lives. I'm no nationalist from it, but this agreement is complex and needs to be due to three strands all parties signed up to it and all parties need to adhere to their responsibilities under it. Remarks this week of just drop the backstop, cop on or you ll end up with a united Ireland, and its Irelands fault somehow completely show a lack of knowledge around the complexity of this situation tbh.

 

[Henarar]

Plus the people of NI want to be in the EU, CU and SM.

how do you know that ?

 

[Henarar]

I think this is a very narrow statement and offers no explanation, maybe on purpose I don't know... The agreement states & spirit of it is that there are three strands Internal NI, All Ireland and the UK, any divergence from closeness of the three strands would contravene the spirit and tenets of the agreement.

Reality is any physical border checks would be completely against the spirit & tenet of the agreement. While understanding none of the parties involved in the agreement would be 100% in favour it has worked for 20 years well better than before anyway. God forbid you d like your neighbours who culturally and politically have a different view point would like to keep their free movement without barriers they agreed to for their daily lives. I'm no nationalist from it, but this agreement is complex and needs to be due to three strands all parties signed up to it and all parties need to adhere to their responsibilities under it. Remarks this week of just drop the backstop, cop on or you ll end up with a united Ireland, and its Irelands fault somehow completely show a lack of knowledge around the complexity of this situation tbh.

but if there is no agreement when we leave what happens to the border ?
say the UK leaves and just docent bother to enforce the border ?

 

[Joe]

but if there is no agreement when we leave what happens to the border ?
say the UK leaves and just docent bother to enforce the border ?

Its fair question, know the Irish government have no intention of enforcing it but wouldn't it cause issues and be a constant thorn without an agreement? You ll have a massive smuggling problem would think and may become a way for individuals wanting to enter either country without necessary visa's to enter. Have heard of people from non EU countries flying into Belfast as the moment for work on a UK visa and then heading down the road to Dublin for few days work, while not an issue could become one no?

 

[nivilla1982]

I think this is a very narrow statement and offers no explanation, maybe on purpose I don't know... The agreement states & spirit of it is that there are three strands Internal NI, All Ireland and the UK, any divergence from closeness of the three strands would contravene the spirit and tenets of the agreement.

Reality is any physical border checks would be completely against the spirit & tenet of the agreement. While understanding none of the parties involved in the agreement would be 100% in favour it has worked for 20 years well better than before anyway. God forbid you d like your neighbours who culturally and politically have a different view point would like to keep their free movement without barriers they agreed to for their daily lives. I'm no nationalist from it, but this agreement is complex and needs to be due to three strands all parties signed up to it and all parties need to adhere to their responsibilities under it. Remarks this week of just drop the backstop, cop on or you ll end up with a united Ireland, and its Irelands fault somehow completely show a lack of knowledge around the complexity of this situation tbh.

There are still checks on either side of the border. They are now less intrusive than they were at the height of the terrorist campaign.
Obviously cooperation has improved on both sides of the border.