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le bon paysan

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There doesn't need to be a hard border between Southern & Northen Ireland.

Ireland isn't in Schengen .. if there was a need for a hard border there would be one NOW.

Quite literally the only need would be to check some lorries transitioning the border.

Institute a green lane as all European airports have .. and spot check those who are most likely to be lying.

Case closed.

No.
As you say Ireland is not in Shengen . The UK is not in Schengen. They are both in the EU. There does not need to be a border now BUT there would IF Ireland was in Shengen and as I understand this is why Ireland didn't enter the Schengen agreement
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
It takes very little to make you jump up and way your little tail. Down boy, down. I don’t wear cheap suits.

You made a false statement about a link you chose and you were found out. No mention of your dishonesty, again, not even a simple acknowledgement. Just another jibe. You are a liar and a fool and just keep demonstrating it; how much of 'the Donald's' fake news is now believed? Crying wolf never works in the long run. Keep it up and even those who sometimes agree with you will walk away.


The EU has 2 options: firstly to pursue the none payment via the CJEU with regard to articles 259 and 267 TFEU or a lengthy case though ICJ.

You don't really know what you are writing about, do you? :) I strongly suspect that you just did a quick bit of googling and then copy and pasted. 259 and 267, really? Pursuant to what? In which jurisdiction? The EU's own lawyers advised that the UK could walk away without paying a penny...

Of course, you are better informed than them, and me, please advise on what basis an action can be brought since TFEU only applies, by its own wording, to members of the EU... :banghead::ROFLMAO: So, if we don't leave, there is nothing to pay; but if we leave to WTO terms there is no recourse to law, the law is in black and white and makes this very plain.(y)
 

Ashtree

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Britain will leave. Don’t worry about that at all.
It will however by economic and electoral necessity stay in close orbit with the EU.
Get over it. Move on. Nothing more to see here.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
You don't really know what you are writing about, do you? :) I strongly suspect that you just did a quick bit of googling and then copy and pasted. 259 and 267, really? Pursuant to what? In which jurisdiction? The EU's own lawyers advised that the UK could walk away without paying a penny...

Of course, you are better informed than them, and me, please advise on what basis an action can be brought since TFEU only applies, by its own wording, to members of the EU... :banghead::ROFLMAO: So, if we don't leave, there is nothing to pay; but if we leave to WTO terms there is no recourse to law, the law is in black and white and makes this very plain.(y)

It would appear Articals 259 and 267 have no temporal limitation to the CJEU’s jurisdiction.

"Several or all EU member states other than the UK could request that the Commission examine whether the UK has failed to fulfil its obligations under the treaties. To the extent that the UK’s financial obligation at issue arose prior to the critical date, any dispute concerning such an obligation is likely to fall within the CJEU’s temporal jurisdiction because it concerns an allegation that the UK ‘has failed to fulfil an obligation under the treaties’ and this dispute arose before the critical date. As a result, the dispute over the UK’s financial obligations could reach the CJEU in the form of infringement proceedings against the UK".
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
It would appear Articals 259 and 267 have no temporal limitation to the CJEU’s jurisdiction.

"Several or all EU member states other than the UK could request that the Commission examine whether the UK has failed to fulfil its obligations under the treaties. To the extent that the UK’s financial obligation at issue arose prior to the critical date, any dispute concerning such an obligation is likely to fall within the CJEU’s temporal jurisdiction because it concerns an allegation that the UK ‘has failed to fulfil an obligation under the treaties’ and this dispute arose before the critical date. As a result, the dispute over the UK’s financial obligations could reach the CJEU in the form of infringement proceedings against the UK".
What is the reference? That doesn't read like statute, treaty or ratio to me, just someone's casual opinion.

'Prior' is rubbish; we are one of the few who are in the black in the EU, the £39bn is a post EU exchange on the basis of a mutual agreement. Good luck construing an exchange that, by its definition, takes place after our having left the EU as 'prior'.
 

jendan

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Mixed Farmer
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Northumberland
What is the reference? That doesn't read like statute, treaty or ratio to me, just someone's casual opinion.

'Prior' is rubbish; we are one of the few who are in the black in the EU, the £39bn is a post EU exchange on the basis of a mutual agreement. Good luck construing an exchange that, by its definition, takes place after our having left the EU as 'prior'.
You lost! And she is still your leader!
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
You know exactly what i mean.You have been banging on about May for ages,and how bad she is.You would have been one of the 117,or your mates certainly will have been.......She is still your leader.
No, I had no idea until you posted it. That was why, rather cleverly, I asked you to explain...(y)

Yes I have been 'banging on' about her - as you do on other matters, although I guess that is justified criticism, right? :rolleyes:

She is a demonstrable liar and hypocrite. She has misled. I believe her tenure to have been a disaster. I would have certainly voted against her if I were an MP. But I am not, so she is not my 'leader', merely my Prime Minister. ;)
 

jendan

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
No, I had no idea until you posted it. That was why, rather cleverly, I asked you to explain...(y)

Yes I have been 'banging on' about her - as you do on other matters, although I guess that is justified criticism, right? :rolleyes:

She is a demonstrable liar and hypocrite. She has misled. I believe her tenure to have been a disaster. I would have certainly voted against her if I were an MP. But I am not, so she is not my 'leader', merely my Prime Minister. ;)
Why dont you put yourself forward.You fit the part perfectly,ex military,then barrister,public school educated,and you are certainly clever enough.You would soon rise to their "A" list.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Why dont you put yourself forward.You fit the part perfectly,ex military,then barrister,public school educated,and you are certainly clever enough.You would soon rise to their "A" list.
Too kind, unless you are being a wee bit sarcastic... :scratchhead: But no, most importantly I like spending time with my family, I detest hypocrisy and, if ever offered promotion, I would not be able to maintain the collective responsibility because I won't defend something I don't believe is right.
 

Ashtree

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Too kind, unless you are being a wee bit sarcastic... :scratchhead: But no, most importantly I like spending time with my family, I detest hypocrisy and, if ever offered promotion, I would not be able to maintain the collective responsibility because I won't defend something I don't believe is right.

Now, now, Jacob, shouldn’t you be down at parliment buildings, heckling the PM at close quarters, instead of wasting precious time on here.
Nanny won’t be best pleased if she finds out where you’ve been.
 
A few questions for the experts.

1) Isn't maintaining the CTA will be a slap in the face for those who voted for Brexit due to current immigration to the UK, by leaving an open door to the UK from the EU?

2) Under the GFA many born and living in NI have Irish citizenship, is anyone aware of the legalities of a hard border in relation to their rights?

3) What laws do the NSMC operate under, if NI leaves the EU while ROI remains?
 

alex04w

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Mixed Farmer
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Co Antrim
A few questions for the experts.

1) Isn't maintaining the CTA will be a slap in the face for those who voted for Brexit due to current immigration to the UK, by leaving an open door to the UK from the EU?

2) Under the GFA many born and living in NI have Irish citizenship, is anyone aware of the legalities of a hard border in relation to their rights?

3) What laws do the NSMC operate under, if NI leaves the EU while ROI remains?

1 The CTA worked from 1921 to 1973 (and to the present day) and no one complained about immigration. It's a red herring.

2 No different to an Irish passport holder living in New York. They have the right to apply for a passport, hold one and have dual nationality. Nothing to so with brexit. Another red herring.

3 it is established under UK law, so will continue to so. Another red herring.

With all those herring you should be worried about the UK leaving the common fisheries policy. :eek::rolleyes::ROFLMAO:
 
1 The CTA worked from 1921 to 1973 (and to the present day) and no one complained about immigration. It's a red herring.

2 No different to an Irish passport holder living in New York. They have the right to apply for a passport, hold one and have dual nationality. Nothing to so with brexit. Another red herring.

3 it is established under UK law, so will continue to so. Another red herring.

With all those herring you should be worried about the UK leaving the common fisheries policy. :eek::rolleyes::ROFLMAO:
Ah, an expert by default.

I'm not worried about any of it.
It's a really interesting topic

1 Where will the immigrants be controlled,
Dublin, On the border, or the Irish Sea?


2 I don't mean dual citizenship, where immigration applies, more to the birthright of anyone born in NI to be recognised as Irish, without the need to apply for it like the American in your example.


3 I didn't understand that the Irish members of the council were governed by rules out with their own country. I couldn't find details of that anywhere.
I am always confused by all of the blurb in governmental documents. Like thisone

It is understood that the North/South Ministerial Council and the
Northern Ireland Assembly are mutually inter-dependent, and that one
cannot successfully function without the other.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 78 42.9%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 63 34.6%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.5%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 5 2.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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