Bactoscans

[Blue.]

Good stuff .!!!!
We used to use hypo a lot in rinse water ,( still use it in the bulk tank once in a while instead of Progiene Iodine tank wash ) but the cheese dairy seem to recommend you use Peracetic instead of hypo, because its more effective against Thermo's apparently !!

I used peracetic for most of last year and my bacto was definitely lower,being a tightwad I couldn’t bring myself to buy another 200litre drum so went back with cheap as chips hypo.

 

[som farmer]

I used peracetic for most of last year and my bacto was definitely lower,being a tightwad I couldn’t bring myself to buy another 200litre drum so went back with cheap as chips hypo.

sis in law works for import/export chemical company, nothing to do with farming, but I couldn't understand why a IBC of hypo, was over double the price locally, and that was at cost. The answer, cheap hypo loses its potency very quickly, although smells ok, so the 2nd half of a 200l drum, is roughly 1/2 strength, obviously depends on how quick you use it. and how much you pay for it !!!

 

[Headless chicken]

Glad you found it, cant believe no one had been in there till now mind, normally our 1st point of call. Hopfully back to <30. @Headless chicken you been in your tank?

yep regular port of call currently. Due another inspection to see if I can find something again though.

 

[Servac]

So like everyone else we have been having similar issues, autumn herd has been seeing bactos at 100 when usually around 20 and the spring herd for the last 3 years has consistently hovered around 30 all winter, we have to be under 30 or get a deduction, neither farm wipes or strips the cows both farms cell counts average 80.

Spoke with our Waikato parlour rep today and we use NZ chemical from kiwi kit, quantum gold and quantum powder.

Quantum gold is used twice a day on hot wash on for both farms and the powder is used two mornings a week on hot wash.

Gold is acid and the powder is alkali.

The Waikato man said in NZ they have similar issues with High quality milk. The acid is very good at fetching off milkstone but he explained it’s the alkali that removes the fat and protein.

So we are switching to alkali on the morning wash and acid in the afternoon for the next few weeks and see what happens.We discovered and protein buildup in the herringbone of the autumn herd and bombing that plant has made a huge difference so thanks whoever suggested that one!

I'm dubious as to how good the quantum chemicals are. How does it compare price wise to kilko, deosan etc?
Is it a build up of yellow jelly that you have?

 

[Homesy]

So like everyone else we have been having similar issues, autumn herd has been seeing bactos at 100 when usually around 20 and the spring herd for the last 3 years has consistently hovered around 30 all winter, we have to be under 30 or get a deduction, neither farm wipes or strips the cows both farms cell counts average 80.

Spoke with our Waikato parlour rep today and we use NZ chemical from kiwi kit, quantum gold and quantum powder.

Quantum gold is used twice a day on hot wash on for both farms and the powder is used two mornings a week on hot wash.

Gold is acid and the powder is alkali.

The Waikato man said in NZ they have similar issues with High quality milk. The acid is very good at fetching off milkstone but he explained it’s the alkali that removes the fat and protein.

So we are switching to alkali on the morning wash and acid in the afternoon for the next few weeks and see what happens.We discovered and protein buildup in the herringbone of the autumn herd and bombing that plant has made a huge difference so thanks whoever suggested that one!

Have you tried doing a hottish, around 55C, pre-rinse. I found that helps with high quality milk. A cold pre-rinse just sets the the fats and and proteins.

 

[Mr Mackay]

Have you tried doing a hottish, around 55C, pre-rinse. I found that helps with high quality milk. A cold pre-rinse just sets the the fats and and proteins.

Hmm, maybe something around the temp of milk ,about 35 degrees might be better , something that will wash it away rather than set it either by poaching it or making the fat harden with cold? Anyroad , I like to think plenty of good cold water will rinse most of it away as a pre rinse !!
I too ,am sceptical of wonder chems . Something good at a right price seems a better plan , but whatever works for you

 

[Blue.]

I'm dubious as to how good the quantum chemicals are. How does it compare price wise to kilko, deosan etc?
Is it a build up of yellow jelly that you have?

Quantum Gold £398 for 100 litres,it’s got a kiwi sticker on it and it’s gold......

 

[Servac]

Quantum Gold £398 for 100 litres,it’s got a kiwi sticker on it and it’s gold......

Snake oil.

 

[Grassman247]

I'm dubious as to how good the quantum chemicals are. How does it compare price wise to kilko, deosan etc?
Is it a build up of yellow jelly that you have?

In the rotary we haven’t found anything in the herringbone we found a small spec at the top of the milk line, it is 25 years old that parlour.

Always got on very well with the FiL products. But the powder was stopped from being brought into the country a few years back and kiwi kit replaced it with there own version made by GEA. I’m not so sure it’s as good. I get a very good deal on the chemical as I used to distribute it in the north and north wales.

 

[Grassman247]

So only been 3 days and test come back this morning 22 for spring herd and 25 for autumn herd. So it seems the Waikato man was right. We are going to continue with alkali in the morning and acid in the evening and try some different chemicals at one farm to see what works best

 

[vantage]

Hmm, maybe something around the temp of milk ,about 35 degrees might be better , something that will wash it away rather than set it either by poaching it or making the fat harden with cold? Anyroad , I like to think plenty of good cold water will rinse most of it away as a pre rinse !!
I too ,am sceptical of wonder chems . Something good at a right price seems a better plan , but whatever works for you

To get 35 degrees you need water going in at 55 degrees. We had trouble with swilling out with cold water as the fat set on the filter, blocking and stopping the wash. Changed to warm pre rinse, no problems since.

 

[Mr Mackay]

To get 35 degrees you need water going in at 55 degrees. We had trouble with swilling out with cold water as the fat set on the filter, blocking and stopping the wash. Changed to warm pre rinse, no problems since.

Right I change the filter after the cold wash , so maybe another way around it?

 

[vantage]

Right I change the filter after the cold wash , so maybe another way around it?

All well and good if you’re there!

 

[In the pit]

Pre wash needs to be 40 degreesfollowed by hot wash
Hot water does 90% of the cleaning

 

[Slowcow]

I've been hunting for problems, changing bits etc. Getting a bit fed up even changed teat wipes made it a tiny bit lower 50 rather than 60.
Due to incompetence ran out of peracetic acid in the week, that collection came back at 23 & 30?????

 

[farmboy]

I’ve always predominantly used alkali in my wash and just an acid 2/3 nights a week. Was always under the impression alkali cleans fat/milk residue and acid only really stops limescale build up on stainless

So only been 3 days and test come back this morning 22 for spring herd and 25 for autumn herd. So it seems the Waikato man was right. We are going to continue with alkali in the morning and acid in the evening and try some different chemicals at one farm to see what works best

 

[Blue.]

I’ve always predominantly used alkali in my wash and just an acid 2/3 nights a week. Was always under the impression alkali cleans fat/milk residue and acid only really stops limescale build up on stainless

The only reason I use acid is that you get a build up of milk stone on the milk meter probes,before milk meters we did acid maybe twice a year.

 

[Mr Mackay]

The only reason I use acid is that you get a build up of milk stone on the milk meter probes,before milk meters we did acid maybe twice a year.

Thats right !!
Forgive me for also confusing things to some extent by thinking in terms of the best thing for Thermodurics !! However I am led to believe that what works for that ,will also nail the Bactoscan probs too!!

 

[lazy farmer]

Morning boys and girls.
At the end of last season we are having issues with our bactscan. Never really got to the bottom of it. Just before we start milking again I realised that we weren’t getting enough hot water to the Bulk tank. So we got that issue sorted. However that the scan started at 79 and today’s is 83.
Today I have noticed that the hot water going to the plant wash is only entering the system at 56°C. So we are now trying to sort that. Does the collective think that will sort the problem?

 

[kill]

Morning boys and girls.
At the end of last season we are having issues with our bactscan. Never really got to the bottom of it. Just before we start milking again I realised that we weren’t getting enough hot water to the Bulk tank. So we got that issue sorted. However that the scan started at 79 and today’s is 83.
Today I have noticed that the hot water going to the plant wash is only entering the system at 56°C. So we are now trying to sort that. Does the collective think that will sort the problem?

If you have replaced a thermostat on the water heater be very careful not to use a domestic one as trips out below 60 degrees c and water just won't be getting hot enough.