know nothing about them the charlys should be ok though
Bad tempered bull......
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Do you agree that cows like that should not be bred from and just go soonest in to the food chain?Just perusing this thread...I feel like my poor Fleck is being misaligned!
Also, my experience is beef granted, I've never had issues with Bulls. They take out fences when fighting each other... Beyond that I can't think of one instance with bulls ever. Snotty ones with foot rot that go and pout in the bushes and refuse to come out and one that decided if we pushed him farther the quad was gonna have it so we left him for a bit before carrying on... But nothing terrible. Give them space and use handling facilities for work and it's all been good, fingers crossed. Don't put yourself in stupid situations. Even Bulls in the feedlot that dodged my scalpel somehow were non eventful.
But cows!!
Any unpredictable and off the wall attacks I've seen and been in have been cows. And not just newly calved either. Just seriously effected by brain worms. Take off after you from across the field ridiculous. Chase the tractor pulling the silage chopper and hydra dump ridiculous. Head through the wall of the barn ridiculous. Do laps around the pasture after the quad ridiculous. A mad cow just doesn't give up.
I believe some of the behavioural issues that are coming to light and being more widespread in the UK, is folks breeding from such bad tempered cows
I'll admit the stupid and mean Charolais I experienced in that herd gave me such a bias to them that I don't want anything to do with them even now.
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Yes and no....
Cull them for beef for safety definitely. They have more patience than us, they will bide their time and get you at some point. Nobody needs lunatic cows around anymore than lunatic bulls.
But breeding from them.... That's up to a persons own decisions. I've seen quiet cows throw mental calves and vice versa. My first pail bunter out of the mentioned crazy herd was from an old red brockle face cow. Was freezing, calf lost her ears, she was warming up on the floor of the truck and the mom was brought in and put in the maternity pen. You couldn't go in the barn with her, she was charging the fences so hard and hitting them. I don't remember if the calf was even in with her at that time.... It was discovered her milk was like water so she didn't even get to keep the calf, she was shipped and I fed the calf who grew up to be the nicest, most chill cow who never showed a hint of mean. Because of how she was raised? Probably a lot. Any heifers from her we kept were ok though. They weren't as quiet as they weren't bottle babies and one was a bit more wild than the others but you didn't worry about them chasing you or charging fences.
Don't keep the crazies around to breed from, even though they seem to always have the nicest calves!, but any calves you already have from them I don't see any reason not to keep around and see how they grow out. There's only been a handful of heifers that at yearlings weren't worth keeping in my mind (dreaded Charolais even) and they weren't crazy, just wild. Take out 10 fences and run for 5 miles until they're lost wild. And of that group, it mainly came down to one leader, the rest were just followers. She was the only truly crazy and mean one and proved it when she was the only one who'd take off after you across the field. Nobody else bothered.
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One of our Bulls (not yet2 years old) had me up against a gate and then on the floor on Thursday morning! Little shunt! I rang up the local abattoir and they came and got the little git that afternoon! Luckily he loaded with no bother.
We only keep our Bulls for one season anyway then send them up the road as we all know about jersey Bulls!
We only keep our Bulls for one season anyway then send them up the road as we all know about jersey Bulls!
simmy_bull
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Jeepers certainly sharpens the brain waves this thread suppose it always was the case with bulls on farms but we hear about it nowadays due to social media etc. Hope your ok @jerseycowsman
FonterraFarmer
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Cows??? feck every Simmental bull we have had here was like that!!!!Just perusing this thread...I feel like my poor Fleck is being misaligned!
Also, my experience is beef granted, I've never had issues with Bulls. They take out fences when fighting each other... Beyond that I can't think of one instance with bulls ever. Snotty ones with foot rot that go and pout in the bushes and refuse to come out and one that decided if we pushed him farther the quad was gonna have it so we left him for a bit before carrying on... But nothing terrible. Give them space and use handling facilities for work and it's all been good, fingers crossed. Don't put yourself in stupid situations. Even Bulls in the feedlot that dodged my scalpel somehow were non eventful.
But cows!!
Any unpredictable and off the wall attacks I've seen and been in have been cows. And not just newly calved either. Just seriously effected by brain worms. Take off after you from across the field ridiculous. Chase the tractor pulling the silage chopper and hydra dump ridiculous. Head through the wall of the barn ridiculous. Do laps around the pasture after the quad ridiculous. A mad cow just doesn't give up.
The last one turned up at the Christmas bar-b-queThe Sim Bulls have all been ok. Had a grumpy Char one but that was the foot rot guy. And then a couple younger and suspicious Chars and Gelbviehs but they never actually tried anything.Cows??? feck every Simmental bull we have had here was like that!!!!
FonterraFarmer
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They must have "exported" the worst Simmentals down here as all the ones we have had here came from a pedigree breeder,even "Mercury Island" cattle are more predicatable and less crazy!!!
Probably more that we don't bug ours. They're in the pasture in summer with cows. They're pulled out and put in the bull field for the winter. Very little handling so little opportunity for them to blow a cog and loose their marbles. Much less human interaction that a dairy tends to have.They must have "exported" the worst Simmentals down here as all the ones we have had here came from a pedigree breeder,even "Mercury Island" cattle are more predicatable and less crazy!!!
But I'm sure we have better genetics too
Cows 'n grass
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This chap and another were suffering from anger issues so want off to meet Mr McDonald's this morning
Cows 'n grass
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Have you still got our lads?
Or are they too giving a bit of taste to a macdonalds burger?
Cows 'n grass
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Yeah they're both still here. Here's one on them going out tonight.
Well grown for 16m.
Well grown for 16m.
Cows 'n grass
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Looking good
holywell farmer
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Things ok ?
holywell farmer
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Did run at you
happycows
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