Bad tempered bull......

[Christoph1945]

Said I knew nothing about bulls and farming! I thought bull prod as a very last resort would be better than the big stick that someone wrote of.

The more that I learn about farming, the more I am grateful for my carton of milk off the supermarket shelf. Shifty supermarkets, double dealing banks, nasty infections, and now killer bulls. I think that I will cancel the purchase of a farm with my lottery winning; should I ever win it. Mind you, by the time I do win the lottery (if I ever do win it ) there will be GM Mutant vegetables attacking people.

Oops, now I am taking this off thread! Sorry.

 

[Alicecow]

Said I knew nothing about bulls and farming! I thought bull prod as a very last resort would be better than the big stick that someone wrote of.

The more that I learn about farming, the more I am grateful for my carton of milk off the supermarket shelf. Shifty supermarkets, double dealing banks, nasty infections, and now killer bulls. I think that I will cancel the purchase of a farm with my lottery winning; should I ever win it. Mind you, by the time I do win the lottery (if I ever do win it ) there will be GM Mutant vegetables attacking people.

Oops, now I am taking this off thread! Sorry.

Wasn't it in the film Blazing Saddles where the new sherrif was going to shoot Mungo and was advised not to because 'that would just annoy him' !

 

[Christoph1945]

Blazing saddles? Never seen it! I have seen the clip where they have all eaten too many beans.

Bought a nice big piece of British beef last week and the wife cooked it to a turn last night. Sat down to tea before and the large slice of beef just crumbled under the knife blade. To quote that old turkey farmer, it was bootyfull.
As I tucked into a real treat, I couldn't help thinking............this is what you get for being a nasty bull to Mr Farmer!

 

[Owain.Beynon]

Dad had a run in with one of our B+W bulls at 9am after milking and luckily managed to jump over a gate, bull was shot and loaded into a lorry by 12pm. Bulls are not to be messed with, currently have 6 on the farm and no one works with them alone and never take my eye off them when near.

 

[Alicecow]

Dad had a run in with one of our B+W bulls at 9am after milking and luckily managed to jump over a gate, bull was shot and loaded into a lorry by 12pm. Bulls are not to be messed with, currently have 6 on the farm and no one works with them alone and never take my eye off them when near.

That's scary.
Hope he's ok.

 

[Owain.Beynon]

That's scary.
Hope he's ok.

Should of added was a few years ago. Yes he was fine thanks!

 

[Christoph1945]

It's surprising what one can achieve with a ton of beef heading your way! Who needs Actimel?

I once completed a very short distance Olympic sprint and vaulted into the back of a lorry with it's tail gate up. Bloody heifer that had just been covered burst out of an out building and took shine to me. Violence at first site, it was.

My co-driver and the farmer rolled with laughter.

 

[simmy_bull]

How's it going with that bull @happycows its been nearly 3 weeks is he managing to behave himself?

 

[peclova]

I've only just read this thread and must tell you Fleckvieh bulls can be seriously dangerous, one put me in Intensive Care for over 3 weeks last autumn. Broken ribs x5 , pelvis x 2 fractures, vertebrae x3 fractures, bleeding to the brain etc. etc. - extremely lucky to be alive. We had him killed, before he killed someone. Should have spotted the signs earlier, when he set about a tipping trailer and later threw a quad-bike over the hedge!

 

[Christoph1945]

What sort of financial loss is suffered by having a Fleckvieh bull prematurely put down?

I heard tell that the Germans tried to breed specially selected live stock in the hopes of recovering prehistoric wild bulls of the European forests but the darned things were rampant killers.

 

[Alicecow]

What sort of financial loss is suffered by having a Fleckvieh bull prematurely put down?

I heard tell that the Germans tried to breed specially selected live stock in the hopes of recovering prehistoric wild bulls of the European forests but the darned things were rampant killers.

Less than is suffered by having him put down too late
If he were to attack a member of the public you'd be in deep doodoo.

 

[happycows]

Well Peclova you sound like you had a real dice with death!! [emoji27]
Mine has been fine, in as far as I've not been in with him so I'm fine, I just don't or never will trust him. I've been working on the dog working in there and that's going good. Dog likes to show him who's boss and moves him from pen to pen. He's good for shedding off odd ones to pick out too.
The bull cought his nose ring in a dog clip on the chained gate as a double measure! That took him down a peg or two by the morning.....poor thing...... Not!

 

[Headless chicken]

I've only just read this thread and must tell you Fleckvieh bulls can be seriously dangerous, one put me in Intensive Care for over 3 weeks last autumn. Broken ribs x5 , pelvis x 2 fractures, vertebrae x3 fractures, bleeding to the brain etc. etc. - extremely lucky to be alive. We had him killed, before he killed someone. Should have spotted the signs earlier, when he set about a tipping trailer and later threw a quad-bike over the hedge!

How old was he when this happened? And was it out of the blue?

We have 2 young bulls running with the cows ATM so just trying to get a fair understanding of the breed

 

[unlacedgecko]

Well Peclova you sound like you had a real dice with death!! [emoji27]
Mine has been fine, in as far as I've not been in with him so I'm fine, I just don't or never will trust him. I've been working on the dog working in there and that's going good. Dog likes to show him who's boss and moves him from pen to pen. He's good for shedding off odd ones to pick out too.
The bull cought his nose ring in a dog clip on the chained gate as a double measure! That took him down a peg or two by the morning.....poor thing...... Not!

What kind of dog you got?

 

[peclova]

What sort of financial loss is suffered by having a Fleckvieh bull prematurely put down?

I heard tell that the Germans tried to breed specially selected live stock in the hopes of recovering prehistoric wild bulls of the European forests but the darned things were rampant killers.

It is hard to put an exact value on him as he was part of deal I put together when selecting some on animals on a farm in Bavaria. But it was around £1500 as a 6month old. We kept him for 18 months, during which time he produced some nice calves, and sold him for £1100 as a cull (not a bad price for an imported animal). So overall we probably weren't out of pocket.

I think the "wild bulls" you refer to are the Heck breed. These were bred to recreate the extinct auroch which roamed European forests. As far as I know Fleckvieh/Simmental were not used in breeding the Heck, and if my memory serves me correctly they were based on the Hungarian Grey or Corsican cattle.

 

[peclova]

Well Peclova you sound like you had a real dice with death!! [emoji27]
Mine has been fine, in as far as I've not been in with him so I'm fine, I just don't or never will trust him. I've been working on the dog working in there and that's going good. Dog likes to show him who's boss and moves him from pen to pen. He's good for shedding off odd ones to pick out too.
The bull cought his nose ring in a dog clip on the chained gate as a double measure! That took him down a peg or two by the morning.....poor thing...... Not!

Yes, I was seriously close to death;something I would not recommend to anyone.

You mention your bulls nose ring. If our bull hadn't got a ring in him I would not be typing this reply. After he had shoved along the floor of the shed, I realised he was getting me cornered, so I grabbed his nose ring with both hands and twisted with all my might. I don't recall what happened next, but I think he must have yanked his head back and tossed me over the tombstone feed barrier and out of the shed. It was then I realised I was seriously injured, but alive! The next 3 weeks were spent in ITU in a ketamine induced coma.

We had become increasingly wary of the bull for the preceding 3 months, but he was fine in the milking parlour and collecting yard which he regarded as "our" space. It was outside that he was becoming more aggressive. On the day it happened, it was the first autumn evening that the cows were being shut up for the night. I had put out some nice silage along the full length of the feed barrier. After milking I went to close the shed gate. All the cows were eating bar one. I saw the bull was feeding so I nipped in to confirm the lone cow was OK. The next thing was a push in the back from the bull, followed by a one sided fight. I like you "happycows" blame myself for what happened. For once I did not have a stick with me, and he was after all only trying to tell me this was his space. Whether he was deliberately trying to kill me or simply get me to go away, I will never know. But according to my son he was still pretty worked up, and sweating like mad, an hour after it all happened. The only thing I am glad about this whole episode, is that it was me that he attacked and not someone else, who he might well have killed.

Not put off, we are using very nice home reared bull now. He is coming up to 2 years old and appears to be much more docile than the now dead bull. I am studying his actions very closely as I believe the point the temperament starts to change is when the bull is totally dominant within the herd. Whilst the bossy cows can still bully him he is not the dominant animal, so subservient to you by default. When the cows can no longer hold him in check he has become the dominant animal needing to challenge you.

 

[More to life]

Yes, I was seriously close to death;something I would not recommend to anyone.

You mention your bulls nose ring. If our bull hadn't got a ring in him I would not be typing this reply. After he had shoved along the floor of the shed, I realised he was getting me cornered, so I grabbed his nose ring with both hands and twisted with all my might. I don't recall what happened next, but I think he must have yanked his head back and tossed me over the tombstone feed barrier and out of the shed. It was then I realised I was seriously injured, but alive! The next 3 weeks were spent in ITU in a ketamine induced coma.

We had become increasingly wary of the bull for the preceding 3 months, but he was fine in the milking parlour and collecting yard which he regarded as "our" space. It was outside that he was becoming more aggressive. On the day it happened, it was the first autumn evening that the cows were being shut up for the night. I had put out some nice silage along the full length of the feed barrier. After milking I went to close the shed gate. All the cows were eating bar one. I saw the bull was feeding so I nipped in to confirm the lone cow was OK. The next thing was a push in the back from the bull, followed by a one sided fight. I like you "happycows" blame myself for what happened. For once I did not have a stick with me, and he was after all only trying to tell me this was his space. Whether he was deliberately trying to kill me or simply get me to go away, I will never know. But according to my son he was still pretty worked up, and sweating like mad, an hour after it all happened. The only thing I am glad about this whole episode, is that it was me that he attacked and not someone else, who he might well have killed.

Not put off, we are using very nice home reared bull now. He is coming up to 2 years old and appears to be much more docile than the now dead bull. I am studying his actions very closely as I believe the point the temperament starts to change is when the bull is totally dominant within the herd. Whilst the bossy cows can still bully him he is not the dominant animal, so subservient to you by default. When the cows can no longer hold him in check he has become the dominant animal needing to challenge you.

I agree with the bossy cow theroy also 2 years always seems to be the begging of the end for dairy Bulls

 

[SillyPhily]

What sort of financial loss is suffered by having a Fleckvieh bull prematurely put down?
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I heard tell that the Germans tried to breed specially selected live stock in the hopes of recovering prehistoric wild bulls of the European forests but the darned things were rampant killers.

They were A breed called Heck cattle, supposed to be extremely nasty.

 

[Zoofarmer]

They were A breed called Heck cattle, supposed to be extremely nasty.

Pretty sure there is a herd of Heck cattle in the UK!! They still exist, altho most were slaughtered and eaten after WW2, as they were seen as Hitlers cows!

 

[Christoph1945]

I seem to remember seeing a report of a farmer breading a heard of cattle based on an extinct Polish forest stock but they were so ferocious that he had to have all but four slaughtered before they killed someone.

I wonder if genetic testing could show up aggressive traits in an animal before it is placed on the market for breading and then have sent for corned beef if it carries the killer gene. Mind you, if that was to be possible, the government may want to start testing us at birth and letting the genetic engineers loose on us!