Ban Non stun slaughter

[On_The_News]

Ban non-stun slaughter

Please sign and share the petition, I have finally got this through parliament, using new laws and ruling, so it's not like those in the past

In modern society, we believe more consideration needs to be given to animal welfare and how livestock is treated and culled.

We believe non-stun slaughter is barbaric and doesn't fit in with our culture and modern-day values and should be banned, as some EU nations have done.

In a landmark case, the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg has ruled that a ban on the ritual slaughter of animals without prior stunning does not violate the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). The Court considered that the protection of public morals, to which Article 9 of the Convention referred was not indifferent to the living environment of individuals covered by its protection and, in particular, to animals.

Ban Non-Stun Slaughter - click pink to sign the government petition

 

[Castle Farm]

I asked a director of a very large slaughter house in the Midlands what % were non stun. He said there were 2 settings on the shocker. 1 Stun and survive.2 Stun to kill. Nearly all the lambs went through the system on 1 (or were missed) because non Muslims never bothered to ask and Muslims wouldn't buy it if it wasn't done the way they wanted it. To late I'm afraid to change things, as they have a louder voice.

 

[Bald Rick]

The OP was posted in Off Topic but probably more fitting to sit in Agricultural Matters initially although I ken it is political in that certain religions undertake this.

Can be moved again if that is the consensus

 

[Poorbuthappy]

I asked a director of a very large slaughter house in the Midlands what % were non stun. He said there were 2 settings on the shocker. 1 Stun and survive.2 Stun to kill. Nearly all the lambs went through the system on 1 (or were missed) because non Muslims never bothered to ask and Muslims wouldn't buy it if it wasn't done the way they wanted it. To late I'm afraid to change things, as they have a louder voice.

But even "1" is different from "non stun" the op is talking about?

 

[Sharpy]

I asked a director of a very large slaughter house in the Midlands what % were non stun. He said there were 2 settings on the shocker. 1 Stun and survive.2 Stun to kill. Nearly all the lambs went through the system on 1 (or were missed) because non Muslims never bothered to ask and Muslims wouldn't buy it if it wasn't done the way they wanted it. To late I'm afraid to change things, as they have a louder voice.

Look at it this way, if I hit you on the head hard enough to knock you out you won't feel me sawing through your neck. That's stun 1. Non stun is you being conscious as I saw through your neck. Stun 1 is definitely preferable.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I asked a director of a very large slaughter house in the Midlands what % were non stun. He said there were 2 settings on the shocker. 1 Stun and survive.2 Stun to kill. Nearly all the lambs went through the system on 1 (or were missed) because non Muslims never bothered to ask and Muslims wouldn't buy it if it wasn't done the way they wanted it. To late I'm afraid to change things, as they have a louder voice.

Stun to kill isn’t a thing

 

[Macsky]

Is killing by cutting the throat all that terrible when done correctly? Blood supply to the brain is cut almost immediately, the body may still look like it’s breathing etc for a while after but how conscious is the animal?

Os this more a people welfare than animal welfare issue?

 

[Henarar]

I asked a director of a very large slaughter house in the Midlands what % were non stun. He said there were 2 settings on the shocker. 1 Stun and survive.2 Stun to kill. Nearly all the lambs went through the system on 1 (or were missed) because non Muslims never bothered to ask and Muslims wouldn't buy it if it wasn't done the way they wanted it. To late I'm afraid to change things, as they have a louder voice.

Why when this comes up is there always mention of Muslims and no mention of Jews ?

 

[teslacoils]

I asked a director of a very large slaughter house in the Midlands what % were non stun. He said there were 2 settings on the shocker. 1 Stun and survive.2 Stun to kill. Nearly all the lambs went through the system on 1 (or were missed) because non Muslims never bothered to ask and Muslims wouldn't buy it if it wasn't done the way they wanted it. To late I'm afraid to change things, as they have a louder voice.

I think it is less a Muslim issue though, given the acceptance of pre-stunned animals for halal meat. Its more the refusal of pre-stunning for Jewish ritual slaughter. Its always termed a halal issue, when really its not.

 

[David.]

Not a chance of success, for the reason alluded to above. It should be an anti animal cruelty issue. But any criticism will invoke the use of antisemitism card; which is death in politics.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Is killing by cutting the throat all that terrible when done correctly? Blood supply to the brain is cut almost immediately, the body may still look like it’s breathing etc for a while after but how conscious is the animal?

Os this more a people welfare than animal welfare issue?

I think for cattle it’s a long time before they pass out compared to sheep

 

[Tomo23]

I think for cattle it’s a long time before they pass out compared to sheep

Cattle have blood supplies at both top and bottom of the neck. To do cattle that way would have to be full decapitation.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Cattle have blood supplies at both top and bottom of the neck. To do cattle that way would have to be full decapitation.

And that wouldn’t be possible

 

[On_The_News]

I asked a director of a very large slaughter house in the Midlands what % were non stun. He said there were 2 settings on the shocker. 1 Stun and survive.2 Stun to kill. Nearly all the lambs went through the system on 1 (or were missed) because non Muslims never bothered to ask and Muslims wouldn't buy it if it wasn't done the way they wanted it. To late I'm afraid to change things, as they have a louder voice.

I would ask that even if you think its too late, that you sign and share. Its worked withing the EU under new rulings so I'm hoping it will here.

Thanks for replying.

 

[BRB John]

Is killing by cutting the throat all that terrible when done correctly? Blood supply to the brain is cut almost immediately, the body may still look like it’s breathing etc for a while after but how conscious is the animal?

Os this more a people welfare than animal welfare issue?

Back in the days of chopping people's heads off was a thing they did tests to see how long the heads remains conscious for by getting them to blink... Usually 30 seconds before you "died". So I guess it would be similar for non stunned animals.
I'd prefer to be stunned to hell with any evil religions that demands otherwise

 

[On_The_News]

The OP was posted in Off Topic but probably more fitting to sit in Agricultural Matters initially although I ken it is political in that certain religions undertake this.

Can be moved again if that is the consensus

Thank you so much, I wasn't sure where to post and didn't want it to seem as spam.

The OP was posted in Off Topic but probably more fitting to sit in Agricultural Matters initially although I ken it is political in that certain religions undertake this.

Can be moved again if that is the consensus

Thank you so much, I wasn't sure where to post and didn't want it to seem as spam.

 

[On_The_News]

Why when this comes up is there always mention of Muslims and no mention of Jews ?

I didn't mention either, as I wanted it to remain non partisan.

 

[On_The_News]

Not a chance of success, for the reason alluded to above. It should be an anti animal cruelty issue. But any criticism will invoke the use of antisemitism card; which is death in politics.

Well I'm going to try, because then at least I know I did my best and this was just political.

 

[David.]

Thank you.
I will sign, and I wish you luck in your quest against this barbaric practice.
A ban won't happen, but immediate post-cut stunning would be a huge improvement in cattle welfare at point of slaughter.
Compulsory labelling of non stunned meat should also be required. That would bring pressure from the slaughterers, faced with blighted hind quarters to dispose of.

 

[On_The_News]

Thank you.
I will sign, and I wish you luck in your quest against this barbaric practice.
A ban won't happen, but immediate post-cut stunning would be a huge improvement in cattle welfare at point of slaughter.
Compulsory labelling of non stunned meat should also be required.

Thank you.