Bandur Herbicide

Steevo

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Location
Gloucestershire
As I understand it, the product comes as a twin pack - was easier for BAYER to get registration that way. So different distributors have their own version of the twin pack. The flufanact/DFF component will be Liberator or Regatta, haven't heard of any other brand but may be. The Aclinofen component is as Proclus or Bandur - maybe some other names I am not aware of. Rate is same regardless. 0.6 + 1.4. So not complicated just have to ask for confirmation of the product names, rates and per hectare price at full rate for comparison.

I am wary of the stuff as last year a farm I go to we used Regatta + Proclus and it sludged up the sprayer - but because operator didn't clean sprayer in the evening when ending his day - as he didn't for the Crystal DFF he had been on. Bayer have now got quite prescriptive sprayer cleaning recommendations with the product.

Just been told that the co-pack is 5l Liberator, 10l Proclus.

Someone didn't think that through when trying to get 0.6l/ha and 1.4l/ha.

0.5 and 1.2 is easy, just not 1.4. 🤯
 
P.S To anyone who doesn't know - Bandur is the serviced brand and is more expensive!
No it isn’t - different distributors have one of two different products, Bandur or Proclus. In time, Bayer will phase out Proclus and Bandur will become the named product - something to do with another product coming on line in the next few years.
 

Steevo

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Location
Gloucestershire
No it isn’t - different distributors have one of two different products, Bandur or Proclus. In time, Bayer will phase out Proclus and Bandur will become the named product - something to do with another product coming on line in the next few years.

Sounds like you’re pretty clued up compared to the average farmer! I’d almost guess you were in the distribution trade yourself….

Would you be willing to say which distributors offer each version please? My buying group deals with most and can only get Proclus.

I’ve heard talk of a mixed product, not a co-pack coming out next year. Would make sense given the current packs don’t cover a round number of hectares.
 
Sounds like you’re pretty clued up compared to the average farmer! I’d almost guess you were in the distribution trade yourself….

Would you be willing to say which distributors offer each version please? My buying group deals with most and can only get Proclus.

I’ve heard talk of a mixed product, not a co-pack coming out next year. Would make sense given the current packs don’t cover a round number of hectares.
Agronomist.

As far as I’m aware, Hutchinsons and one other (can’t remember which) have Bandur, and most of the rest have Proclus.

Current packs don’t cover a round number of hectares. Bayer roughly engineered it that the 1.2 rate of Proclus / Bandur is double the rate of 0.6 of Liberator / Regatta, but max label dose is 1.4 so that muddled it up somewhat.
 

Steevo

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Location
Gloucestershire
Agronomist.

As far as I’m aware, Hutchinsons and one other (can’t remember which) have Bandur, and most of the rest have Proclus.

Current packs don’t cover a round number of hectares. Bayer roughly engineered it that the 1.2 rate of Proclus / Bandur is double the rate of 0.6 of Liberator / Regatta, but max label dose is 1.4 so that muddled it up somewhat.

Thank you.
 

Bigjon44

Member
Emerger was about £150 pot this spring but that's a higher rate on spuds 1.75L
Not sure on the bandur price but yes Hutchinson do bandur
 

Laggard

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Agronomist warned us about leaving it in the tank. Not going to use it for this reason.
I am wary of the stuff as last year a farm I go to we used Regatta + Proclus and it sludged up the sprayer - but because operator didn't clean sprayer in the evening when ending his day - as he didn't for the Crystal DFF he had been on. Bayer have now got quite prescriptive sprayer cleaning recommendations with the product.
 

California

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Arable Farmer
Location
South Lincs
Agronomist.

As far as I’m aware, Hutchinsons and one other (can’t remember which) have Bandur, and most of the rest have Proclus.

Current packs don’t cover a round number of hectares. Bayer roughly engineered it that the 1.2 rate of Proclus / Bandur is double the rate of 0.6 of Liberator / Regatta, but max label dose is 1.4 so that muddled it up somewhat.
Hutchinsons certainly had Proclus rather than Bandur last year. Paired with Regatta.
 

alomy75

Member
I personally believe Crystal and Hurricane are all you need in a pre-em. Some of these other stacks can knock the crop so much and if they’re needed to control blackgrass then the issue should be addressed elsewhere in the rotation either culturally or chemically. It’s a bit like the nitrogen cost vs yield curve; you end up spending a lot more for just a few % extra blackgrass control.
 

Two Tone

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Mixed Farmer
Very disappointed with Bandur on Winter Barley. Have to use a lower rate (1l/ha) on it compared to 1.4 on Wheat.
Knocks the Barley really badly were double dosed.

Liximo seems a better BG controller on wheat.
Going back to Crystal and Hurricane on Winter Barley and consigning Bandur to the bin!
 

Bigjon44

Member
Very disappointed with Bandur on Winter Barley. Have to use a lower rate (1l/ha) on it compared to 1.4 on Wheat.
Knocks the Barley really badly were double dosed.

Liximo seems a better BG controller on wheat.
Going back to Crystal and Hurricane on Winter Barley and consigning Bandur to the bin!
Does hurricane have any residual effect or is it just contact?
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
Does hurricane have any residual effect or is it just contact?
It is definitely residual. It’s a brand name for DFF.

The first time I ever used DFF was way back in the 80’s as part of the mix in a herbicide brand called Post Kite.
IIRC it was IPU, CMPP plus DFF.
Worked well!

When we first used it with Crystal, the rate was 0.12 l/ha. We then upped it to 0.2 l/ha.
TBH, it works quite well. Not cheap, but works better than Liberator.
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
It is definitely residual. It’s a brand name for DFF.

The first time I ever used DFF was way back in the 80’s as part of the mix in a herbicide brand called Post Kite.
IIRC it was IPU, CMPP plus DFF.
Worked well!

When we first used it with Crystal, the rate was 0.12 l/ha. We then upped it to 0.2 l/ha.
TBH, it works quite well. Not cheap, but works better than Liberator.
You are saying that liberator plus pdm is not as effective as crystal plus dff?
 

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