Barley agronomist V wheat agronomist

[snipe]

got 5 litres of this(see picture below) in the store and want to use it up. Barely agronomist says put it on the wheat, wheat agronomist says put it on the barley. In general which crop would be the best to use it up on. Barley is having some helix(prothioconazole and spiroxamine) and Impreza (fluxapyroad). Plus ccc and moddus. Some wheat is just having CTL. Would it replace any of the above.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Looks better for barley, especially given what you’re putting on. It could substitute for the helix based on my limited knowledge.

 

[Brisel]

Metrafenone is a mildewicide. Which crop has mildew. The epoxy is for septoria and a few barley diseases like rhyncho and net blotch. Rusts on both crops too. I would put it on the wheat based on what you've just posted.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Suits barley better but as Brisel says barley is getting enough as it is so put on wheat.

 

[Brisel]

What is 5 litres in the whole plan? If it's a 200 ha job 5 litres won't get you far. In a 2ha job that's an overdose... 1.5l/ha max dose so your can will do 3.3ha or more. Hard to say what you need and the internet should not replace your agronomists!

 

[robbie]

got 5 litres of this(see picture below) in the store and want to use it up. Barely agronomist says put it on the wheat, wheat agronomist says put it on the barley. In general which crop would be the best to use it up on. Barley is having some helix(prothioconazole and spiroxamine) and Impreza (fluxapyroad). Plus ccc and moddus. Some wheat is just having CTL. Would it replace any of the above.

Never mind the can of cloister, I'd be replacing the helix like a shot. Price up proline plus a mildewicide e.g. Vegas,corbel or metrafenome against the helix. i bet it'll shock you!
Supplied by the ii company I bet.

Edit proline is the best non specific mildewicide in its own right so unless your barley looks like candy floss it'll do the business.

 

[ollie989898]

Cloister is an excellent wheat product and does mildew a treat, I used to partner it with an SDHI at T1 in thick lush crops of wheat. No reason you could not partner it with a bit of CTL at T0 I guess.

 

[beefandsleep]

Why do you have a separate agronomist for barley from the wheat? That complicated a job now is it?

 

[snipe]

I was thinking to use it to replace a product and not add to the mix. Thanks for the reply’s so far.

 

[TheShireMan]

Same as Ceando - Fits well as a T1 wheat product for rust and mildew.
Would echo pricing up proline for the barley.

 

[snipe]

What is 5 litres in the whole plan? If it's a 200 ha job 5 litres won't get you far. In a 2ha job that's an overdose... 1.5l/ha max dose so your can will do 3.3ha or more. Hard to say what you need and the internet should not replace your agronomists!

I agree the internet sould not replace your agronomist, but it might help me ask them the right questions,

 

[snipe]

Never mind the can of cloister, I'd be replacing the helix like a shot. Price up proline plus a mildewicide e.g. Vegas,corbel or metrafenome against the helix. i bet it'll shock you!
Supplied by the ii company I bet.

Edit proline is the best non specific mildewicide in its own right so unless your barley looks like candy floss it'll do the business.

Just doing some prices. If I dropped helix(rate.65) and used proline, what sort of rate would you expect to use Vegas or corbels or metrafenome. I will post my findings.

 

[robbie]

Vagas/cyflumid 0.1-0.15 lt/ha
Corbel 0.25-0.3 lt/ha

 

[Zippy768]

Keep it on the shelf and use it when it is actually needed. Nothing gets chucked in to use it up around here. Plenty of shelf space

 

[snipe]

These are buying group prices. Helix at .65 £25. Against Proline at .37 £16.65 plus Vegas at .125 £7.12 or Corbel at .27 £4.86.
So £25
Or £23.77
Or £21.51
Would you have expected a bigger difference?
I know helix will be more from the i company but the alternatives would be too.

 

[Brisel]

I can't think of a use for Helix that a better product wouldn't do for the same or less money. @Woodlander ? Mildew & rust? Just Bayer & Agrii flogging a very average product IMHO.

 

[Flintstone]

If you want a completely impartial opinion, why not ask your bean agronomist? Or your rape agronomist?

 

[Badshot]

I bet they're both serviced agronomists, so neither wants to lose selling another can of fungicide.

 

[robbie]

These are buying group prices. Helix at .65 £25. Against Proline at .37 £16.65 plus Vegas at .125 £7.12 or Corbel at .27 £4.86.
So £25
Or £23.77
Or £21.51
Would you have expected a bigger difference?
I know helix will be more from the i company but the alternatives would be too.

I was expecting a bigger difference but the last option is easily equally as good and the saving if will pay for the pgr part of the mix.

 

[snipe]

Thanks for the info. As you say any saving is welcome