sixrow
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na sequel was the best good bushel weight did well no sure why we stopped growing it?
Barley! Hybrid v conventional
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Warp Land Farmer
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- Hazzard County
Any Harvest results known yet to consider this thread again?
It's been a funny old year, Warp Land Farmer.
Posting one's results here, apart from, in my case, being the usual embarrassment, may be more than unusually unfair this time between the varieties because yields have depended more than they usually do upon the relative moisture retention of the differing soil types and everyone's very local rainfall experiences.
However, a couple of interesting points did arise here.
Nothing much to choose between the four varieties we grew but :-
(1) Extra straw yield from Bazooka vs Funky paid the extra seed cost (only needed about I bale/acre extra). This probably won't happen next year.
(2) Meridian yielded as well as any, with top straw yield and lowest seed cost, thereby giving the best margin. This probably won't happen next year.
Warp Land Farmer
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- Hazzard County
Yes, a funny old year but aren't they becoming the norm in one way or another? I think any result is interesting and am hungry for information.It's been a funny old year, Warp Land Farmer.
Posting one's results here, apart from, in my case, being the usual embarrassment, may be more than unusually unfair this time between the varieties because yields have depended more than they usually do upon the relative moisture retention of the differing soil types and everyone's very local rainfall experiences.
However, a couple of interesting points did arise here.
Nothing much to choose between the four varieties we grew but :-
(1) Extra straw yield from Bazooka vs Funky paid the extra seed cost (only needed about I bale/acre extra). This probably won't happen next year.
(2) Meridian yielded as well as any, with top straw yield and lowest seed cost, thereby giving the best margin. This probably won't happen next year.
Thankyou for your points and wish you a successful remainder of your Harvest.
I have found 2 row will usually out yield six row
Six row conventional has out yielded hybrid over last 3 seasons and fact you can HSS makes it a no brainer
KWS Kosmos conventional has replaced meridian here
Hybrids are all marketing really
The fact seeding rate is low doesn’t help either, In a catchy autumn with high slug pressure crops can get very thin
Conventional 6 row can be sown thicker but generally lower seed rate than 2 row
Six row conventional has out yielded hybrid over last 3 seasons and fact you can HSS makes it a no brainer
KWS Kosmos conventional has replaced meridian here
Hybrids are all marketing really
The fact seeding rate is low doesn’t help either, In a catchy autumn with high slug pressure crops can get very thin
Conventional 6 row can be sown thicker but generally lower seed rate than 2 row
ollie989898
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Save your own conventional seed and drill it heavier if you want heavy yields from more tillers, loads of straw and 'blackgrass suppression'.
Hybrids are just an attempt at a captured chem market.
Hybrids are just an attempt at a captured chem market.
Never heard of it.
Was it not trialled here at all, or did the HGCA decide, as they have done in so many other cases, to dump it early because it only really did good in the far west?
I’m not sure but it’s did 4.5t in 16,17 here
Didn’t get it sown last autumn
Bazooka 3.8 and cutting cassia today
SilliamWhale
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- South Notts
How are syngenta attempting to capture a chem market when you only have to buy the seed from syngenta and could put an all bayer/BASF/etc pesticide program on it if you wanted to?
Tompkins
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- NE Somerset
Been growing hybrids on and off for 6 or 7 years and can't seem to get it to yield anymore than 2 row, sometimes less!
Makes we wonder why I didn't just stick with Cassia...
Makes we wonder why I didn't just stick with Cassia...
SilliamWhale
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This year Tower looks a better than Cassia but not sure on yield yet
I’ll tell you when I cut wheat, this year is no judge of a variety or a crop
What looked like huge crop have whittled away some what
Winter barley is bushelling 70 at best
It’s hard to believe we are droughting with 1000mm annual rainfall
It’s not a disaster but no vintage year
Most years winter barley will deliver as septoria is just too big a threat here
But we grow WB as 1st crop not 2nd
I’ve grown good crops of winter barley after continuous spring barley /cover crop and crop of spring barley after WB legume cover crop
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The Hyvido Guarantee scheme. It's voluntary & not excessive, but it is carefully marketed so you sing up to it & it wouldn't pay out if
- You don't get 0.5 t/ha yield benefit over conventional varieties at your local reference site
- You didn't follow the Syngenta programme which isn't onerous; 200 seeds/m2 seed rate, a big % of the spring N on before GS30, use Moddus at least once, use IZM fungicides at least once
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- South Notts
the yield Guarantee hasn't been available for 2 seasons now.
ollie989898
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Ah yes buy our seed and use IZM and our moddus.... its a clever piece of marketing. Someone made winter barley fashionable again and now its the talk of the town for a bit. Which genius added the magic phrase 'blackgrass suppression' and suddenly everyone is growing it. Yet sure enough under the canopy you have.... blackgrass.
Oh and who markets defy....remind me.
Oh and who markets defy....remind me.
Oh, sorry. I haven't grown Hyvido for 2 years but used to sign up for the guarantee for the rest of the schemes before that. Paid out £60/ha one year and I got 0.8 t/ha yield lift over Cassia in return for about £5/ha more on fungicides used to top up Cebara. I would still have grown Hyvido without a guarantee as it covered it's extra costs every year bar one.
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- the brecks norfolk
We've just started on some bazooka. Tons of straw but what a load of shite the grain is so much for hybrids coping better in challenging years!
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- South Notts
it's the same principal as an agronomist selling seed to a farmer in the hope/knowledge they get the margin on the chemical later in the season then?
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- the brecks norfolk
I think as farmers we need to be very careful.
We already have hybrid barley which has a recommendation to use certain special Chems and no option to FSS.
we also have clearfield osr and in a couple of years we'll have a clearfield equivalent for beet, where by the farmer tide to a "package" .
I think it's only a matter of time before we are all forced down this route with all major crops where we buy the "whole package". fss and choosing what inputs we use and at what spending level will all be a thing of the past and the ag inputs indudtry will have us well and truly by the danglies.
We already have hybrid barley which has a recommendation to use certain special Chems and no option to FSS.
we also have clearfield osr and in a couple of years we'll have a clearfield equivalent for beet, where by the farmer tide to a "package" .
I think it's only a matter of time before we are all forced down this route with all major crops where we buy the "whole package". fss and choosing what inputs we use and at what spending level will all be a thing of the past and the ag inputs indudtry will have us well and truly by the danglies.