Basic chemical store

This looks great but would be too small to hold the chemicals for a 170 acre farm I suspect.

there are many sizes and incarnations of these things. In not very well informed on the quantity’s involved in 170 acres of arable, Bering only grass myself but something like this would hold at least 12 x 20l containers with room to spare:

 
Best check legal requirements then, so RT can be told to pull their horns in (again)?

I'm not sure there are any legal requirements beyond: 'follow the label'. If you had a fire or accident on farm and the HSE or EA ended up getting involved, it would be a hard day in court trying to convince the powers that be you did right if you chose not to follow the guidance though.

It's like all these farming things, what is laid out in law and what is only guidance is a bit hazy.
 

No wot

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Cut the top off IBC's, put chems in there and stick them in your shed?
Or if you cut it in half you've got two bunds , been told on here it's not to spec as it's not fire proof , but it passes annual quality assurance and had Environment Agency inspection last week and were happy , which is good enough
 
Or if you cut it in half you've got two bunds , been told on here it's not to spec as it's not fire proof , but it passes annual quality assurance and had Environment Agency inspection last week and were happy , which is good enough

It's all well and good having these things but envisage a small workshop fire that gets out of hand- the plastic on your IBC is melted or burns and then when the fire brigade turn up and put out the fire with water, suddenly you've got a chemical spill doing down the drains to contend with.

All this guidance is not statutory, it's just there to help folk stay on the right side of a court room.
 

No wot

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It's all well and good having these things but envisage a small workshop fire that gets out of hand- the plastic on your IBC is melted or burns and then when the fire brigade turn up and put out the fire with water, suddenly you've got a chemical spill doing down the drains to contend with.

All this guidance is not statutory, it's just there to help folk stay on the right side of a court room.
I take your point , my chem store is an old shipping container in corner of my yard away from workshop , corn drier or any significant fire hazard , but yes on paper it's a risk if it did catch on fire , but one that doesn't concern me particularly
 
I take your point , my chem store is an old shipping container in corner of my yard away from workshop , corn drier or any significant fire hazard , but yes on paper it's a risk if it did catch on fire , but one that doesn't concern me particularly

Ah so you have in effect got a bund as the container itself will act as one as well. Having it sited away from anything else is also sensible- some places I have seen chemical stored would be difficult to get a fire engine near if the worst did happen.
 

Steevo

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Location
Gloucestershire
Needs to be lockable and secure and don't use wood/timber or the like for shelves etc as you aren't supposed to have anything in there that will aid a fire.

There are various designs available from companies making them, just don't buy one made out of plastic. A smallish store should be suitable for 170 acres.

They look very smart.....and expensive!!

Just enquired for curiosity - a 3.6m version is £9250 + VAT inc delivery.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Red Tractor guidance here;
You would be advised to read the full standards here; https://assurance.redtractor.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/RTStandardsV5_Crops_v2.pdf

References to spray store requirements are scattered throughout the document, so I recommend creating your own list for each section.

Out of interest, how much of their reccs are legal requirements and how much of it is their usual window dressing?
 
Out of interest, how much of their reccs are legal requirements and how much of it is their usual window dressing?
There isn't much compulsory stuff- it's guidance from the HSE and the like. Basically, you can do what you want, right up until there is a fire, a watercourse gets polluted or someone dies, at which point the legal system will examine what steps you took to prevent whatever happened. If you basically followed the guidance and had a reasonable store with a locked door etc etc then you can genuinely say you took as many steps as practical to prevent things from happening.
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Buy a 10 or 20 foot shipping container, depending how much room you need.
Even with shelves down 1 side, you could still fit a few IBCs down the other if you needed.
Raise the door end higher than the other end & it’s bunded, put some whirly birds in the roof to keep it vented, cheap, secure, job done 👍
 

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