BBC and soya

SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
I do like the part that the reporters are saying ‘most’ soya for vegetarian purposes comes from non gm strains and not from South America ! Right!

I suppose thou that at least they have highlighted concerns we all have thou on where it is now being grown.

Makes absolute sense that the soy (bean) for human consumption isn't coming from countries that grow soy as an oilseed.....
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Essex
Just class , so it seems we as producers cannot use , being implemented I think , soya from certain countries-deforestation yet it can be imported into the country by the big boys and possibly used to make bread , you couldn’t make it up ffs
We should all avoid buying soya and palm oil kernal because that adds to demand and leads to deforestation in these warmer places.

It's fashionable to blame farmers and agriculture for stuff that goes on in the world, but the buying public are equally to blame as the rest of the food chain.
 

oil barron

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Aberdeenshire
Brazil just planted their largest ever Soya crop in October. They used so Mutch diesel during planting that Brazil used more oil during October 2020 with Covid than they did in October 2019. For a country with a 200million population that’s a pretty impressive amount of Diesel being burned.
 

Barleycorn

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Hampshire
Brazil just planted their largest ever Soya crop in October. They used so Mutch diesel during planting that Brazil used more oil during October 2020 with Covid than they did in October 2019. For a country with a 200million population that’s a pretty impressive amount of Diesel being burned.
I thought Brazil was a DD champion, that's pretty economic with diesel?
 

German

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Mixed Farmer
I reckon home grown lupins are probably the way forward for most.

Ever grew them?
Serious work has to put into research before they are an alternative.
Some of the crop lays on the ground while the other half isnt ripe yet.
Doesnt matter if white, blue or yellow.

Processing already evolved, these lupin substitute products dont taste like wood anymore.
 

melted welly

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Swarfmonkey

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Hampshire
We should all avoid buying soya and palm oil kernal because that adds to demand and leads to deforestation in these warmer places.

It's fashionable to blame farmers and agriculture for stuff that goes on in the world, but the buying public are equally to blame as the rest of the food chain.

That would make little, if any, difference to the amount of soy grown as the demand for soybean oil for food (and as a feedstock in the production of biodiesel), is only going to increase for the immediate future.
 

Simon Chiles

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Ever grew them?
Serious work has to put into research before they are an alternative.
Some of the crop lays on the ground while the other half isnt ripe yet.
Doesnt matter if white, blue or yellow.

Processing already evolved, these lupin substitute products dont taste like wood anymore.

I’ve been growing them for longer than I can remember, probably at least 15 years. The results are variety dependent. White’s are higher yielding and normally harvest in mid September, blue’s slightly lower yielding but normally harvest end of August. I once grew a yellow variety which produced masses of foliage and would have been ideal for whole crop but earliness of harvesting wasn’t its best trait, it was nearly December before I cut them. Our soil wouldn’t be the best for them but I’ve had decent results on the whole. Can’t beat Lupins in a dd situation as they are excellent at improving soil structure and fix N and exude citrates to make P available to the next crop. I reckon they put at least a tonne per ha on the following crop of wheat, often 2.
 

Muddyroads

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Exeter, Devon
Brazil just planted their largest ever Soya crop in October. They used so Mutch diesel during planting that Brazil used more oil during October 2020 with Covid than they did in October 2019. For a country with a 200million population that’s a pretty impressive amount of Diesel being burned.
What is your source of this info?
 

melted welly

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DD9.
I read in the bbc report that most of the soya for human consumption used in Uk comes from Europe.....would that be from Holland, over half of whose imports come from South America?
Cant be coz further up the story it says it’s “highly unlikely“ any of the soya in veggie burgers and soy milk etc comes from GM and “harmful pesticide” using South American countries.
standard of journalism is sheeeite, but I guess they know exactly the result they want to achieve and who’s complaining about inaccuracies?
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Essex
I read in the bbc report that most of the soya for human consumption used in Uk comes from Europe.....would that be from Holland, over half of whose imports come from South America?
Cant be coz further up the story it says it’s “highly unlikely“ any of the soya in veggie burgers and soy milk etc comes from GM and “harmful pesticide” using South American countries.
standard of journalism is sheeeite, but I guess they know exactly the result they want to achieve and who’s complaining about inaccuracies?
Maybe but at least they are raising awareness of the issue.
 

Muddyroads

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Exeter, Devon

German

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Mixed Farmer
I’ve been growing them for longer than I can remember, probably at least 15 years. The results are variety dependent. White’s are higher yielding and normally harvest in mid September, blue’s slightly lower yielding but normally harvest end of August. I once grew a yellow variety which produced masses of foliage and would have been ideal for whole crop but earliness of harvesting wasn’t its best trait, it was nearly December before I cut them. Our soil wouldn’t be the best for them but I’ve had decent results on the whole. Can’t beat Lupins in a dd situation as they are excellent at improving soil structure and fix N and exude citrates to make P available to the next crop. I reckon they put at least a tonne per ha on the following crop of wheat, often 2.

If you care about the following crop I would still prefer OSR, especially if you have cattle.
Don't need that much N from air as I have manure and the yields are higher with OSR.
I favor a rotation with a full-fledged Cover crop mix If I want to fix Nitrogen (from manure) after the harvest, because I want to save it through the winter and it affects the amount of cattle I am allowed to have so no lupines or clover in my rotation at all. (limited to 170kg N/ha)
But what matters most are the amino acid patterns that soy beans have, we don't have a crop that matches the nutrient requirements for Pigs better than soy.
 

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