BBC at it again re meat and climate

texelburger

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Herefordshire
Interviewing two farming brothers who have given up beef farming to save the planet.Also some professor from Lancaster University saying that beef and lamb has the highest carbon footprint of all food with pork and chicken a little lower.
Where do they get their facts from ? Everyone,even Professors, seem to have been brainwashed by the Vegan movement and their agenda.How does a cattle or sheep eating grass have a high carbon footprint ? I would suggest it's the lowest and quite possibly negative if you account for the grass and its carbon capture.NFU chap spoke about eating local,sustainable food and the fact our livestock is pretty sustainable in the UK but he,imo,missed a trick by not pushing the extremely low carbon footprint of grass reared UK beef and lamb.
Again no mention of fossil fuels,energy, industry and the real carbon emitters.
 

Gedd

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Interviewing two farming brothers who have given up beef farming to save the planet.Also some professor from Lancaster University saying that beef and lamb has the highest carbon footprint of all food with pork and chicken a little lower.
Where do they get their facts from ? Everyone,even Professors, seem to have been brainwashed by the Vegan movement and their agenda.How does a cattle or sheep eating grass have a high carbon footprint ? I would suggest it's the lowest and quite possibly negative if you account for the grass and its carbon capture.NFU chap spoke about eating local,sustainable food and the fact our livestock is pretty sustainable in the UK but he,imo,missed a trick by not pushing the extremely low carbon footprint of grass reared UK beef and lamb.
Again no mention of fossil fuels,energy, industry and the real carbon emitters.
Seen it they must of sarched the full uk to find a farmer that hasnt eaten any meat for think he said 2 years
 

Oldmacdonald

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Scotland
Interviewing two farming brothers who have given up beef farming to save the planet.Also some professor from Lancaster University saying that beef and lamb has the highest carbon footprint of all food with pork and chicken a little lower.
Where do they get their facts from ? Everyone,even Professors, seem to have been brainwashed by the Vegan movement and their agenda.How does a cattle or sheep eating grass have a high carbon footprint ? I would suggest it's the lowest and quite possibly negative if you account for the grass and its carbon capture.NFU chap spoke about eating local,sustainable food and the fact our livestock is pretty sustainable in the UK but he,imo,missed a trick by not pushing the extremely low carbon footprint of grass reared UK beef and lamb.
Again no mention of fossil fuels,energy, industry and the real carbon emitters.

Burying your head in the sand is no help either though.
 

yin ewe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
WTF. Fertilser plants closing because of gas price.
There has never been a time in history when we have been so in need of livestock manures.

Was having this discussion with the missus today, if the whole world was vegan we would have no organic fertiliser, only artificial, which requires large amounts of energy to produce, therefore adding to the 'energy crisis' we are in. Why does no-one ever seem to make these points when debating veganism/climate change etc? It seems a blatantly obvious point to me.
 

Old apprentice

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Arable Farmer
Location
North west
Again no mention of fossil fuels,energy, industry and the real carbon emitters.

No must not mention the real culprit that would stop them flying of around the world . Oil company's in late 60s got scientists to look at all the oil they were producing and they told the company's that it would increase co2 , lancaster university lot are just the same now must not talk about cars and flying upset to many people well clobber the farmers It's the thing to do now. NOT.
 

texelburger

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Location
Herefordshire
Was having this discussion with the missus today, if the whole world was vegan we would have no organic fertiliser, only artificial, which requires large amounts of energy to produce, therefore adding to the 'energy crisis' we are in. Why does no-one ever seem to make these points when debating veganism/climate change etc? It seems a blatantly obvious point to me.
Also higher carbon emissions due to cultivating the soil along with more animal and insects lost in the process of growing crops compared to a meat based diet.
 
In purely “carbon terms” does anybody know how much the carbon cost is for a unit of artificial nitrogen vs manures?

Crops need nutrients to grow. If there are no stock to produce manures then it’s end game for some organic farming systems at the very least.

And if AN takes more carbon to produce than a manure unit then it’s all going to go wrong.
 

tepapa

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
I saw this, it the first bit of bbc bias I've seen first hand, which shows how much of their rubbish I watch. It was nothing more than subliminal messaging to eat less meat.

But I can't see how we, as a species, can exterminate other species on the basis that we need to burn more fossil fuels to fulfil our lives. Because that is what their trying to do. Kill off all the other animals. It's worrying that governments are thinking this way.
 
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Cheesehead

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Livestock Farmer
In purely “carbon terms” does anybody know how much the carbon cost is for a unit of artificial nitrogen vs manures?

Crops need nutrients to grow. If there are no stock to produce manures then it’s end game for some organic farming systems at the very least.

And if AN takes more carbon to produce than a manure unit then it’s all going to go wrong.
I think that they are of the opinion that you don't need to feed the crop or the soil to get it to grow I believe they are of the opinion of stick the seed in the ground, do nothing, it grows, you harvest it and they eat it.
 

Old apprentice

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Arable Farmer
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North west
There never say anything said about all crops and grass well all vegetation never mind trees uses up carbon . Read to day that 70 plus percent is nitrogen 20 plus percent is oxygen 1pecent is all the other gasses.
 

Top cereal and oilseed growers honoured at the Yield Enhancement Network Awards 2021

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Despite an average growing year for most crops, many growers managed to go above and beyond their predicted max yields, with Lincolnshire grower Tim Lamyman taking the top spots for his wheat yields and his world record breaking winter barley yield.

The highest cereal and oilseed yields achieved at harvest 2021 were announced at this year’s Yield Enhancement Network (YEN) Awards on Wednesday 24th November at the Croptec Show. With award presentations by Tom Bradshaw, Vice President of NFU, 24 farms took home the evening’s top awards for highest yield and highest potential yield achieved for wheat, winter and spring barley, oats, and oilseed. The 2021 winners came from all corners of the UK, as well as from as far afield as Finland and New Zealand.

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