BBC at it again re meat and climate

roscoe erf

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DaveGrohl

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I read it in the business section of the Times last week!

Good article on beefcentral.com about the failure of lab grown faeces and how it will never be grown cheap enough on a large scale to compete with beef. Investors pulling out and a lot of money getting lost! Yippeee
I'd read something similar a few weeks ago about this which massively warmed my heart and calmed my nerves.


I was actually extremely worried for the future of the planet until I read this a couple of months ago (courtesy of Faceache: credit where it's due, not credit to Faceache obvs but someone shared it and I saw it as a result of Faceache). I'd even gone to the trouble of buying some shares in a company that's involved in all this sh it, call me pragmatic. I'll be delighted when those shares are worthless. I'd no idea the wheels would start to come off the bonkers bandwagon so soon however. It only seems like yest when the Duck was shouting at everyone for not throwing themselves off the nearest bridge over this.

One swallow doesn't make a summer of course, there's a huge amount of money in all this and some companies might somehow make it to market and make some noise for a while (just look at the Beyond Meat share price chart's slow but steady decline boo hoo, not lab meat but similar point). I'm less worried than I was.

Does anyone have the Times article in a sharey format please?
 

Cowabunga

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I'd read something similar a few weeks ago about this which massively warmed my heart and calmed my nerves.


I was actually extremely worried for the future of the planet until I read this a couple of months ago (courtesy of Faceache: credit where it's due, not credit to Faceache obvs but someone shared it and I saw it as a result of Faceache). I'd even gone to the trouble of buying some shares in a company that's involved in all this sh it, call me pragmatic. I'll be delighted when those shares are worthless. I'd no idea the wheels would start to come off the bonkers bandwagon so soon however. It only seems like yest when the Duck was shouting at everyone for not throwing themselves off the nearest bridge over this.

One swallow doesn't make a summer of course, there's a huge amount of money in all this and some companies might somehow make it to market and make some noise for a while (just look at the Beyond Meat share price chart's slow but steady decline boo hoo, not lab meat but similar point). I'm less worried than I was.

Does anyone have the Times article in a sharey format please?
All it will take is one or more Elon Musk types to take this to the next level of mass production and it will be game over. With the billions of Dollars being thrown at alternative proteins there will almost certainly be big producers competing against real meat and milk fairly soon and it will ramp up from there. Never underestimate the ability of science and commerce to overcome developmental problems, especially with so many resources, pressure groups and politicians supporting it and churning out the negative propaganda against conventional animal production.
 

DaveGrohl

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All it will take is one or more Elon Musk types to take this to the next level of mass production and it will be game over. With the billions of Dollars being thrown at alternative proteins there will almost certainly be big producers competing against real meat and milk fairly soon and it will ramp up from there. Never underestimate the ability of science and commerce to overcome developmental problems, especially with so many resources, pressure groups and politicians supporting it and churning out the negative propaganda against conventional animal production.
Did you read it? Disposable bioreactors. Jesus H Christ.
 

Cowabunga

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Did you read it? Disposable bioreactors. Jesus H Christ.
The thing is that they will never reach 10% of all meat production because may countries will just not be interested and will not countenance any for a second. However, if they were to reach anywhere near 10% of the market in Europe or America or both, it would be highly disruptive to all real meat sales and markets everywhere.
They could achieve this by 2030 or fairly soon after and they needn't even do it by undercutting current meat price, because you may have noticed that the social pressure against cows and meat is being rapidly increasing even as we type and that will continue to intensify. Also the UK at least seems to be intent on increasing producer costs by both taxation and policies to make meat and milk production uneconomic in the medium term, forcing or 'steering' farmers to give up, diversify and/or plant their land to trees or to regress into wilderness.

They know, of course, that substitutes are required. They just can't price animal protein out of the market without offering an alternative food product which they are already promoting as being acceptable and indeed desirable even before it is marketable. From 10% of the European and American market, it then potentially, almost inevitably becomes a slippery slope as real meat is further vilified and alternative production methods are ramped up worldwide at an exponential rate.

That is a look into the future if things carry on as they are.
 
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Ashtree

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In the big scheme of things, the cow population is going nowhere but down.
Here in the ROI, where importance of agriculture to the entire economy is much greater than in UK, and where farmers and rural voters have much more political clout than in UK, it’s niw pretty much accepted the national herd is going to be cut.
Up to now no leading politician never mind a rural based one, would whisper the words “reduce the national herd”. They are now softening us up with leaks to that effect, just before they make it national policy.
We will be forced out of suckler beef to get the numbers down. The more profitable and employment intensive dairy side will be capped at current herd size. Suckler men will have to switch to rearing dairy bred beef, plus perhaps contract rearing dairy heifers. Oh, a few euros will be offered to let part of all current suckler farms, return to nature.
If the politicos can make it happen in ROI, it sure will happen in UK, with cream on top.
 

DaveGrohl

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The thing is that they will never reach 10% of all meat production because may countries will just not be interested and will not countenance any for a second. However, if they were to reach anywhere near 10% of the market in Europe or America or both, it would be highly disruptive to all real meat sales and markets everywhere.
They could achieve this by 2030 or fairly soon after and they needn't even do it by undercutting current meat price, because you may have noticed that the social pressure against cows and meat is being rapidly increasing even as we type and that will continue to intensify. Also the UK at least seems to be intent on increasing producer costs by both taxation and policies to make meat and milk production uneconomic in the medium term, forcing or 'steering' farmers to give up, diversify and/or plant their land to trees or to regress into wilderness.

They know, of course, that substitutes are required. They just can't price animal protein out of the market without offering an alternative food product which they are already promoting as being acceptable and indeed desirable even before it is marketable. From 10% of the European and American market, it then potentially, almost inevitably becomes a slippery slope as real meat is further vilified and alternative production methods are ramped up worldwide at an exponential rate.

That is a look into the future if things carry on as they are.
Thing is, reality will hit eventually when they realise that all of the measures they're bringing in have fekk all affect on climate change but they're running out of food that is affordable and doesn't make everyone obese and sick.
 

DaveGrohl

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I can remember when they were proposing injecting dairy cattle with bst there was a great hoo ha that the general public wouldn't find it acceptable but now we are supposed to accept that the general public will be lining up to buy lab grown filler? (Because it's not meat is it)
Well quite. But what you're missing there is that it's ALL about the money.
 

Easedoff

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Best set up a trial where a dependable supply of high protien food is needed to feed the starving millions.
Africa?
Oh I suppose there's no profit in that.
 

Cowabunga

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Thing is, reality will hit eventually when they realise that all of the measures they're bringing in have fekk all affect on climate change but they're running out of food that is affordable and doesn't make everyone obese and sick.
Yes probably, though not inevitably. In any case, I'm afraid it will be too late by then as the cattle and vast areas of grassland will have been 'retired' to be replaced by two or three massive corporations that will be totally vertically integrated from raw material to the supermarket shelf. There is plenty of this going on already as you know and they only need to get rid of the bottom rung, the farmer/producers, to have total control of the food market.
Our totally inept governments, particularly the UK government, are willing this to happen and priming, or brainwashing the population at large into thinking that this will save the planet. It doesn't need to be true. All that is required is that people believe it for a while.
 
I was reading a fascinating book about wartime propaganda in Britain. It is called The Myth of the Blitz, and must be 30 years old and a bit left leaning, but it is very interesting to see how the might of the BBC and official bodies such as Mass Observation were used to sell a picture of Britain which we still believe today, or at least we did until fairly recently when the agenda was changed . The concept of the green and pleasant rural land worth fighting for, everyone pulling together and Spitfires over the White Cliffs of Dover are cornerstones of the legend even though by 1940 most people didn't really live in the world they portrayed and it was largely a myth.
My conspiracy theory is that they have been down in the cellars and dusted off the old reports and techniques which were compiled with enormous care and effort, and the BBC has once more become a cornerstone of selling a new myth to the public even though the bleedin' obvious concerning farm animals is staring the public in the face every time they go out in the car for a drive. It could of course be that the effort was never really turned off and has been quietly directing our thoughts since the '40s.
 

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

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