BBC at it again re meat and climate

[DaveGrohl]

I was just thinking about this.
Ask anyone to list some of the causes of carbon emissions and they’re likely to come up with several.
Now ask them to come up with ways in which carbon can be absorbed out of the atmosphere. How many of those people will say anything other than “planting trees”?
The word sequestration doesn’t help matters as most people don’t know what it means.
We need to see a big push in educating people about soil carbon storage. Get this understood and the rest will follow on.

Totally agree on sequestration, I've posted this point before. However, we ain't turning round the runaway supertanker with a bit of soil carbon storage no matter how much we think of ourselves as the saviour rather than the villains some think of us as. Climate "scientists" and the IPCC think they know how to turn this around. They overestimate their knowledge and themselves.

Btw, when did 1.5 deg C turn into 2 deg C? It happened sometime in the last few weeks. When did they move the goalposts they stuck in the ground themselves a few years ago? Are they starting to realise the task they said they could deliver is something they maybe didn't understand very well in the first place and it's time to kick the can down the road a bit just in case their calculations were a bit iffy?

 

[Pilatus]

Our world in data has aviation at 1.9% of global emissions in their 2020 pie chart. Everyone bangs on about flying on here but I struggle to get incandescent over 1.9% when there are far bigger targets to be vilifying. Go outside the farming bubble and the level of waste in general society is absolutely sickening, food waste being one of these waste categories.

If possible please can you put the “2020 pie chart”you mention in your post on here so that we can see it , or post the website where we can look at it .
Thanks

 

[DaveGrohl]

If possible please can you put the “2020 pie chart”you mention in your post on here so that we can see it , or post the website where we can look at it .
Thanks

Actually I've come a cropper on here before with this and I've rechecked. The screenshot I have is from a paper dated 2020 but the actual pie chart is from 2016. From the recent discussion on here I think it's now 2.2% but don't hold me to that. I almost mentioned in my post that I wasn't confident about the 1.9% but hope that clarifies. I'm sure you could get this info yourself though, just check the sources you look at are respected and not just top of Google.

 

[Pilatus]

Actually I've come a cropper on here before with this and I've rechecked. The screenshot I have is from a paper dated 2020 but the actual pie chart is from 2016. From the recent discussion on here I think it's now 2.2% but don't hold me to that. I almost mentioned in my post that I wasn't confident about the 1.9% but hope that clarifies. I'm sure you could get this info yourself though, just check the sources you look at are respected and not just top of Google.

Many thanks, at my age I will not loose any sleep over it.

 

[Cheesehead]

Actually I've come a cropper on here before with this and I've rechecked. The screenshot I have is from a paper dated 2020 but the actual pie chart is from 2016. From the recent discussion on here I think it's now 2.2% but don't hold me to that. I almost mentioned in my post that I wasn't confident about the 1.9% but hope that clarifies. I'm sure you could get this info yourself though, just check the sources you look at are respected and not just top of Google.

Actually technically the pie chart is 2020 using 2016 data like most things it seems to take forever to get new current data published.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Actually technically the pie chart is 2020 using 2016 data like most things it seems to take forever to get new current data published.

As MX7 said, not worth arguing about. It's about 25% if you believe the posts on here, not that anyone quotes a precentage of course.

 

[white_stuffed]

View attachment 2019_Final_emissions_statistics_one_page_summary.pdf
Transport 27%

Full dataset here: https://data.gov.uk/dataset/9568363...-greenhouse-gas-emissions-national-statistics

 

[jondear]

BBC 2 hairy bikers…. It’s all meat , fish, spuds, meat , fish and more meat….

Yes but they have veggi meat free Ad campaign with knor and a book out . Bandwagon!

 

[primmiemoo]

Yes but they have veggi meat free Ad campaign with knor and a book out . Bandwagon!

They're culinary tarts. It's all about the kerching in their kitchens.

 

[onthehoof]

So re-introducing thousands of Bison to the prairies is a good thing, and millions of Wildebeest in the Serengeti is fantastic but grazing cattle is destroying the planet?
I just don't get it!

 

[BrianV]

In 50 years of farming with endless catastrophes I have never felt more depressed for UK farming than listening to Blatter on farming today this morning, by making ridiculous claims of what farming can achieve to become green by 2030 which are obviously unachievable & impossible to measure she & the NFU are making farming the sacrificial lamb for every polluter In the country!
Livestock farming if you listen to Blatter has little or no future in the UK, as if this wasn’t stupid enough we then had a Lloyds of London spokesman claiming that they would become carbon neutral simply by insuring hydrogen production, vehicles & businesses In the future.
I really think this country is going collectively mad!

 

[melted welly]

 

[delilah]

I've looked at your link and am confused at where "more than half...." is situated in the link. Do you mean 6% is more than 4%? That's not remotely the same thing. Even Joseph Poore can't extrapolate 10% into over 50% by hoping no one notices food emissions (ie the entirety of the food chain, ie supermarkets and all their feeder industries) vs specifically agriculture. Btw when did 4.5% turn into 6%? I didn't get the memo.

Obv the BBC (and others, it's not just the effing BBC, why does everyone bang on about them specifically?) have no qualms about spouting shiit without feeling any guilt.

The BBC complaints dept replied to a poster saying:

We’ve looked very carefully at the science and had expert advice on all the figures quoted in the series. We are comfortable that data which is widely accepted by the scientific community supports what we have stated in the episode - ‘More than half of global food emissions come from animal products…’. These numbers relate to food GHGs alone, not all anthropogenic GHGs.

We - ie the NFU and AHDB - agree with that. Because, yes, 6% is more than 4%. I was just pointing out the futility of complaining to the BBC when, more often than not, what they are saying matches what we are saying.

The NFU communications team need to get themselves a swear box. Every time one of them says "percent" they put a tenner in it. We have to get away from playing the x% or y% game, it's a stupid game that just goes round in circles.

Attached, again, the stuff put together by folks on here. If rank amateurs can promote the job without talking about percentages i'm sure the professionals can.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

So where does the extra green house gas/methan/carbon come from: (just for arguments sake a totaly forage based diet cow)
Surely the amount emitted by the cow equals the amount absorb by the grass; or even less due to being tied up in body mass and excreted dung.
Eventually it completes the carbon cycle!

It comes from the rumen bacteria. Plants take in carbon dioxide, but the rumen bugs digest grass and make methane.
Methane only exists for 20 years or so before it breaks down to Carbon Dioxide. But during that time, it has a warming effect 25 or 86 times higher than CO2 (depending on how its calculated.)

 

[Oldmacdonald]

In 50 years of farming with endless catastrophes I have never felt more depressed for UK farming than listening to Blatter on farming today this morning, by making ridiculous claims of what farming can achieve to become green by 2030 which are obviously unachievable & impossible to measure she & the NFU are making farming the sacrificial lamb for every polluter In the country!
Livestock farming if you listen to Blatter has little or no future in the UK, as if this wasn’t stupid enough we then had a Lloyds of London spokesman claiming that they would become carbon neutral simply by insuring hydrogen production, vehicles & businesses In the future.
I really think this country is going collectively mad!

Or perhaps she is encouraging us to make sure we have our house in order so no one can critisise us as we go banging on about the aviation industry.

 

[delilah]

Or perhaps she is encouraging us to make sure we have our house in order so no one can critisise us as we go banging on about the aviation industry.

You think that apologizing for cows should be our tactic ? Newsflash. It isn't working.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

You think that apologizing for cows should be our tactic ? Newsflash. It isn't working.

No one is apologising for our cows.

 

[Hilly]

How much dose pet horses and all other pets that are good for Fuk all contribute to pollution ? Once they have shot the lot of them pets we can talk about cows until then fek off .

 

[Pilatus]

Surely the atmosphere has been warming up since the start of the Industrial Revolution.
I just Googled “when did the Industrial Revolution start”,one of the answers is “The Industrial Revolution started in the 18th century when agricultural societies became more industrialised and urban”.
So the farming bashers need to realise that it was when society moved to industry from farming that the atmosphere really started to get slightly warmer. So how can farming suddenly have become one of the SUPPOSEDLY worst polluting industries on the planet.????

 

[primmiemoo]

It comes from the rumen bacteria. Plants take in carbon dioxide, but the rumen bugs digest grass and make methane.
Methane only exists for 20 years or so before it breaks down to Carbon Dioxide. But during that time, it has a warming effect 25 or 86 times higher than CO2 (depending on how its calculated.)

Less than 20 years. Somewhere between 12 - 14 years calculated by most accurate methods. And let's not forget methanophages. They are the heroes when it comes to Earth's regulation of methane from living things within its cycle. Our livestock are part of nature.