BBC bias laid bare by Rob Liddle

[Exfarmer]

The problem with a 3 way choice is the very likely outcome of a tri split.
A transferable vote would be ideal, but I doubt that the average voter could hget his head round itans at the end of the day everyone will cry foul

 

[Rowland]

You've misread the text in the links. The relationship was negotiated with the EU. If we leave we have to start again. The only country EU doesn't have a relationship with is Mauritania which is exclusively WTO only. My fear is the time between 29th March and whenever we get enough deals negotiated & signed off (Canada took 6 years!) will hurt us the most.

Since it's clear that in this thread, both sides have no worries that a vote would go against their wishes, a sensible way forward would be another referendum with 3 choices;

1. Leave the EU with no compromise deal and start again afresh. A hard Brexit.
2. Withdraw Article 50 and remain in the EU
3. Accept the EU's compromise deal. The current one on offer, not something else that there's insufficient time to negotiate. Parliament would have to ratify the agreement, having had a direct mandate from the masses to do so.

That would resolve a lot of the issues one way or another. We've all learnt a lot since 2015/16 as to what forms Brexit might take so are better placed to make the choice again.

I’ve said something similar on a different thread.
Have two votes on this the 1st on the 3 options then lose the one with the least votes have a 2nd vote on the remaining two options.

 

[Exfarmer]

Interesting piece by Daniel Finklestein in The Times today.
Essentially he is saying that whatever deal we get or don’t get it is extremely unlikely parliament will be able to get a leaving bill through.
There will be a raft of amendments which will need voting on , passing between houses. The Lords of course will hamper the process being highly Remain. They can’t totally obstruct it as it was in the manifesto.
Even with 100% DUP support, and that is highly unlikely, we will face a situation on the 29th March where the EU considers us left and The UK will still officially be in from a legal position.
So it will be a de facto leave, unless the prime minister decides to stay , as apparently they can until the process has gone through.
Talk about a mess!

 

[Brisel]

The problem with a 3 way choice is the very likely outcome of a tri split.
A transferable vote would be ideal, but I doubt that the average voter could hget his head round itans at the end of the day everyone will cry foul

Tri-split? A simple majority will do. The most voted option wins.

What is a transferable vote? Oh, and turn your spell checker on too please

 

[Shep]

Why are all the remainers obsessed about being better off?
It was about getting the country back, I don't think anyone voted to leave thinking they would be better off. I certainly separates the wheat from the chaff in my eyes.

 

[farmerm]

Unless I'm mistaken we are non the wiser to what leaving entails. This deal is only a transition deal for the next two years. How can you seek the will of the people at this stage when we don't actually know how the final possible deal will pan out.
Edit: actually what we do now know is that Europe are awful to deal with.

The deal isn’t so much of a deal as a list of intention on how future negotiations will be handled. None of the difficult areas have been agreed. Problem is the deal locks us into an incredibly week negotiating position as we will not have an option to walk away, that gives the EU the upper hand. There is far more support for remain than the May deal and there is far more support for remain than a no deal. There is no other option available so the only acceptable conclusion is that we have to withdraw article 50

 

[farmerm]

Why are all the remainers obsessed about being better off?
It was about getting the country back, I don't think anyone voted to leave thinking they would be better off. I certainly separates the wheat from the chaff in my eyes.

Who are you getting your country back from You simply take powers from faceless Europeans in Brussels to faceless Europeans that work in Whitehall. Do you also intend that we deport all none white, none Christians from these lands?

 

[Brisel]

Why are all the remainers obsessed about being better off?
It was about getting the country back, I don't think anyone voted to leave thinking they would be better off. I certainly separates the wheat from the chaff in my eyes.

I need money to provide barter for goods & services. I don't want something that makes me worse off, though I'd be prepared to take a knock back now for future prosperity. Economic prosperity means a strong £ which is no good for farming. The German economy has thrived with a large manufacturing industry and a weak Euro aiding exports.

Edit: I'd forgotten about the Boris bus!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

This was bought up in Parliament today

 

[Brisel]

A narrow margin, but a majority nonetheless. What is your point?

 

[7610 super q]

A narrow margin, but a majority nonetheless. What is your point?

The point being, it went ahead. No second referendums......

 

[Brisel]

The point being, it went ahead. No second referendums......

Fair enough.

A second UK referendum wouldn't be the first time a Euro question has been asked. The Irish, Danish, French and 3 others said No first time but Yes at subsequent ones. I'm not just thinking of EU membership but also the Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon treaties. How many referenda have the Italians & Greeks had??

I mistakenly thought that we joined the EEC with 2 referenda but that turned out not to be the case. Heath took us in despite opinion polls showing the electorate heavily against it, though the 1975 referendum was more than a minor majority.

 

[Highland Mule]

I don't think anyone voted to leave thinking they would be better off.

Then you are more disconnected than I thought - remember the bus? A ton of folks voted Brexit because of that. There were roughly 17M voters pro-brexit and nobody knows why they voted how they did, but I can guarantee that plenty were swayed by lies from Boris, a chunk more had their votes bought by Aaron Banks and even more by the illegal activities of the Russian Government.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I need money to provide barter for goods & services. I don't want something that makes me worse off, though I'd be prepared to take a knock back now for future prosperity. Economic prosperity means a strong £ which is no good for farming. The German economy has thrived with a large manufacturing industry and a weak Euro aiding exports.

Edit: I'd forgotten about the Boris bus!

Where does it say he will give it all to the NHS

 

[David.]

It's a job to get any facts, do we actually currently send the EU £350 mill on average, per week?
To be fair, i don't remember anyone promise to give the NHS £350m a week.

 

[Lazy Sod]

Where does it say he will give it all to the NHS

It doesn't, but that's the implication that many people, who probably didn't understand the rebate, took from it.

Unfortunately, democracy gives even the most ill informed and uneducated people the vote.

 

[Lazy Sod]

Oh, and turn your spell checker on too please

How do you do that on here?

 

[Highland Mule]

How do you do that on here?

It’s a wee switch behind and between your eyes.

 

[primmiemoo]

It’s a wee switch behind and between your eyes.

 

[Brisel]

Where does it say he will give it all to the NHS

On the side of the bus