BBC bias laid bare by Rob Liddle

[Derrick Hughes]

Wales has done very well out of the EU.

Yes they have , but complaints on how the money is spent
West Wales a "less developed region". These are considered Europe's poorest regions, and GDP is less than 75% of EU average.
East Wales is a "more developed region". These are Europe's more prosperous regions - GDP is 90% or more of EU average.

 

[Bald Rick]

Yes they have , but complaints on how the money is spent
West Wales a "less developed region". These are considered Europe's poorest regions, and GDP is less than 75% of EU average.
East Wales is a "more developed region". These are Europe's more prosperous regions - GDP is 90% or more of EU average.

Pah, most of the money is spent in Cardiff and the M4 corridor
We only got a dualled A55 cos of the Paddies and being a major euro route

 

[Bald Rick]

only I legged ones

Pics or gtfo

Actually hold that thought seeing who the poster is .....

 

[tepapa]

You've misread the text in the links. The relationship was negotiated with the EU. If we leave we have to start again. The only country EU doesn't have a relationship with is Mauritania which is exclusively WTO only. My fear is the time between 29th March and whenever we get enough deals negotiated & signed off (Canada took 6 years!) will hurt us the most.

Since it's clear that in this thread, both sides have no worries that a vote would go against their wishes, a sensible way forward would be another referendum with 3 choices;

1. Leave the EU with no compromise deal and start again afresh. A hard Brexit.
2. Withdraw Article 50 and remain in the EU
3. Accept the EU's compromise deal. The current one on offer, not something else that there's insufficient time to negotiate. Parliament would have to ratify the agreement, having had a direct mandate from the masses to do so.

That would resolve a lot of the issues one way or another. We've all learnt a lot since 2015/16 as to what forms Brexit might take so are better placed to make the choice again.

Trouble is we've wasted two years of potential deal making time to get to this point. If they had stood up to Europe at the beginning when they started being awkward we could have gone hard brexit then and made plans for trade deals come 29th March. Instead of this cowardly we must have a deal attitude we've had to get to this point. They've said from the beginning we wouldn't be able to agree a deal and by the looks of there right so we should have used the time to agree trade deals with countries that want to trade.

 

[Cowabunga]

Wales has done very well out of the EU.

Not half as well as Scotland and both and the North of England would have benefitted far more if not for Mrs Thatcher's rebate. The UK itself won't spend it, just look at the North of England.

 

[Cowabunga]

Pah, most of the money is spent in Cardiff and the M4 corridor
We only got a dualled A55 cos of the Paddies and being a major euro route

Lots and lots of money spent in The Valleys. They have been transformed. I travelled in that area this year and was amazed at the difference compared to ten years ago.

 

[DRC]

Lots and lots of money spent in The Valleys. They have been transformed. I travelled in that area this year and was amazed at the difference compared to ten years ago.

The roads always seem fantastic when I cross over the border from pot holed Shropshire

 

[Derrick Hughes]

The roads always seem fantastic when I cross over the border from pot holed Shropshire

The coast road has hardly improved since it was marked out in 1815
I suppose some would say it's a good thing that we seem to be cut off from the outside world on road or rail .
Made worse by milk tankers thundering along our roads to carry milk away from the area that used to be processed in our local factories

 

[Cowabunga]

The roads always seem fantastic when I cross over the border from pot holed Shropshire

Cross from Powys into Cardiganshire to see the difference straight away as soon as you hit Eisteddfa Gurig. The A487 North/South coast road is a disgrace and if it were in Scotland the whole distance from Haverfordwest to Chester would have been dualled of motorway'd years ago. I remember the A1 up from London to Edinburgh in the 1970's when it was only partly dual carriageway, but at least it was reasonably straight. Now the old A1 is still there in sections but often runs parallel to the new A1M. What luxury! We don't get any industry in Cardiganshire because the roads are so substandard. Our biggest exporter is an used caravan dealer. Yes really! Virtually no substantial factories or engineering businesses. There's twice the number of retail park businesses in Shrewsbury's Battlefield industrial estate than there is in the whole of Cardiganshire.

 

[DRC]

Cross from Powys into Cardiganshire to see the difference straight away as soon as you hit Eisteddfa Gurig. The A487 North/South coast road is a disgrace and if it were in Scotland the whole distance from Haverfordwest to Chester would have been dualled of motorway'd years ago. I remember the A1 up from London to Edinburgh in the 1970's when it was only partly dual carriageway, but at least it was reasonably straight. Now the old A1 is still there in sections but often runs parallel to the new A1M. What luxury! We don't get any industry in Cardiganshire because the roads are so substandard. Our biggest exporter is an used caravan dealer. Yes really! Virtually no substantial factories or engineering businesses. There's twice the number of retail park businesses in Shrewsbury's Battlefield industrial estate than there is in the whole of Cardiganshire.

Ive misjudged it by the sounds of it

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Ive misjudged it by the sounds of it

It takes me just over two hours to get to Cardiff 100 miles. The first 30 takes me an hour that's how bad the roads are

 

[Cowabunga]

The coast road has hardly improved since it was marked out in 1815
I suppose some would say it's a good thing that we seem to be cut off from the outside world on road or rail .
Made worse by milk tankers thundering along our roads to carry milk away from the area that used to be processed in our local factories

Oddly only yesterday you were bitching about the money wasted on the milk factory, blaming the EU for some reason for the MMB's management. This is one of the very very few factories we have currently in Cardiganshire, making food flavouring and membrane separated protein products and they have just built a new biomass power station. The only factory that I can think of. The road from there is really atrocious and the trucks, along with milk tankers are a menace on the narrow roads. Not helped by up to ten trucks a day from Jenkinson Forest Products carrying wood chips from lord knows where in for the factory power station. Someone said that a lot of it was sourced from Russia. Not sure I believe that.

 

[DRC]

It takes me just over two hours to get to Cardiff 100 miles. The first 30 takes me an hour that's how bad the roads are

Second hour you average 70 though

 

[Cowabunga]

It takes me just over two hours to get to Cardiff 100 miles. The first 30 takes me an hour that's how bad the roads are

Yes, once at Carmarthen you hit a dual carriageway and then the M4 and can get somewhere reasonably efficiently. It can often take an hour to cover those 30 miles. If you go towards Worcester or the Midlands though its far worse for the whole distance.

 

[Raider112]

Ok @Raider112 ... does the BBC employ enough lesbians? Discuss

Need a new thread for that, plenty would watch it I'm sure!

 

[michael N123]

Need a new thread for that, plenty would watch it I'm sure!

Depends on the type of lesbian

 

[roscoe erf]

Depends on the type of lesbian

ONE OF CLASS

 

[Brisel]

ONE OF CLASS

Ruth Davidson has class, but I'm guessing that's not what you had in mind? Have I just put you off your breakfast?

 

[Rowland]

Not half as well as Scotland and both and the North of England would have benefitted far more if not for Mrs Thatcher's rebate. The UK itself won't spend it, just look at the North of England.

I look at it everyday and am curious to know how you think the North East has benefitted more than the rest England from being a member of the EU ?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Can we just all agree that the referendum result should have been honoured and it is disgraceful how some MPs have gone about overturning the result .
You have now driven the excavator miles into a peat bog with no means of getting out so to speak
The the Labour party have only one thing on their minds and getting a deal is not part of it