BBC Fake News

[baabaa]

Hi @wanton dwarf here is the FBI report, also a good article about the all mess and Hilary'sown explenation, enjoy ps you ll need to cut and paste the all url address for the fbi file.
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/hillary-r.-clinton-part-01-of-06/view

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mails-2016-server-state-department-fbi-214307
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/
Again my interpretetion of the above and other reports and article I read is that error in judgement were made , together with some level of complecency and unintentional negligence , very much so. I still don t think this warranted such persecution, there was no criminal or malicious intent, and nothing was compromised, she did not commit a criminal act. Now this is my humble opinion
Now what do you think of Flynn?
What should they do to him?

mmmmm if there was nothing criminal why did all her aides plead the fifth at the congressional hearings if they turned up?
this wee scandal aint over
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...against-former-hillary-it-aide-bryan-pagliano

 

[reverand]

Have only just noticed this thread. I am no lover of the BBC as it is, but to say that it propagates fake news would be incorrect. However, in common with many 'state' broadcasters and some other media businesses, it does have its own agenda - in the BBC's case a 'left-liberal' one - and it most certainly does: (a) choose what it reports to suit itself; (b) spin stories to suit itself; (c) frame ('edit') its depiction of events in a manner to suit its agenda.

I have no problem with a 'news' firm having a political slant e.g. the Guardian newspaper or Fox TV, but it's not right for a publically funded broadcaster to do so.

Its agenda is left liberalism?

 

[dstudent]

mmmmm if there was nothing criminal why did all her aides plead the fifth at the congressional hearings if they turned up?
this wee scandal aint over
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...against-former-hillary-it-aide-bryan-pagliano

Wouldn t u. they are not exactly being impartial are they. They are out for blood, who is the guy requesting this and why? What s his agenda?

Buy the way why don t they go after any of the preceeding Secretary of states?
Albright, Rice and Powell did not follow procedures and like Clinton did not produce any af their communications upon leaving untill asked in 2014. Apparently the retaining and saving documents and the methodology was all over the place, and all the above one way or another have been found at fault.
Albright did not use emails should her paper trail or lack thereof be the cause of an invedtigation?

Further Collin Powell did not save his emails at all and used a lap top no one knows where it comes from and personal email address, this whilst being in charge of the Iraq invasion. I would like to see his emails, ho but wait, he did not save them. Congressional hearing please
What s this obsession with Hilary, she lost an election for this, she apolgised.
In the mean time her department had been hacked 6 times ( I think the correct times are in the article) whilst her server does not seam to have been succesfully attacked.
What s the fuss, I m not a fan of the lady, but I ve to wonder why?
Now let s keep our eyes on Flynn please.

 

[reverand]

As an example of the BBC putting its own spin on a story.

There is an on-going issue with a GP practice in Northern Ireland where all the GPs have resigned and no one will take over the practice. So today on both the radio and on their website they are running stories on GPs. E.g.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39009012

Their big story on the radio this morning was that "25% of GPs are over 55 and the system will crash soon". Their whole spin is that so many GPs are elderly (25% over 55) that the system cannot survive their retirement.

A wonderful story - until you sit down and think it through.

If a GP starts work at 25 and does their 40 years until they retire at 65, then statistically you expect 25% to be in the age group of 25-35; 25% to be in the age group 35-45; 25% in the age group 45-55 and hey presto you fully expect 25% to be over 55.

There is no story - just the BBC spin and sensationalising of a fact of life. They are just playing to their agenda that somehow the Tories are out to destroy the NHS (even though it is a devolved matter and Stormont is responsible for GP funding in NI).

So the BBC agenda is to help the Tories to destroy the NHS ?

 

[rob1]

So the BBC agenda is to help the Tories to destroy the NHS ?

No the bbc agenda seems to be to use the nhs problems to destroy the tories

 

[dstudent]

As an example of the BBC putting its own spin on a story.

There is an on-going issue with a GP practice in Northern Ireland where all the GPs have resigned and no one will take over the practice. So today on both the radio and on their website they are running stories on GPs. E.g.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39009012

Their big story on the radio this morning was that "25% of GPs are over 55 and the system will crash soon". Their whole spin is that so many GPs are elderly (25% over 55) that the system cannot survive their retirement.

A wonderful story - until you sit down and think it through.

If a GP starts work at 25 and does their 40 years until they retire at 65, then statistically you expect 25% to be in the age group of 25-35; 25% to be in the age group 35-45; 25% in the age group 45-55 and hey presto you fully expect 25% to be over 55.

There is no story - just the BBC spin and sensationalising of a fact of life. They are just playing to their agenda that somehow the Tories are out to destroy the NHS (even though it is a devolved matter and Stormont is responsible for GP funding in NI).

Yep I agree, but the way I see it , is that they are perpetueting the 'Nhs crisis' narrative let s privitise the all thing.
Started with Blair and carried on to Cameron, that is the end goal really.
Every bit of news is how bad things are, well if they cut the budget and close hospitals or reduce services things are not gonna be ok.

 

[reverand]

De

No the bbc agenda seems to be to use the nhs problems to destroy the tories

reporting the NHS problem does not equate to an agenda.
The NHS problem is very real, it doesn't need sexing up or slants. It is simply news, let it be reported.

 

[rob1]

De

reporting the NHS problem does not equate to an agenda.
The NHS problem is very real, it doesn't need sexing up or slants. It is simply news, let it be reported.

I dont think anyone doesnt agree that the nhs faces huge problems but I havent seen seen any reports on poor management, bad purchasing procedures and very little on bed blocking and its use by non uk nationals, my OH works in it and I see first hand howpoorly the managment of it is, one on my customers is an ambulance driver and he was saying the other day how many non brits they cart in and as its emergency there is no collecting of inf to obtain payments, compare that to relation who was daft enough to go to france skiing without insurance, they wouldnt even take him off the mountain until his friend produced a credit card.

Perhaps I am wrong and the bbc doesnt have an agenda but are just really poor and lazy journalists

 

[Stuart J]

I dont think anyone doesnt agree that the nhs faces huge problems but I havent seen seen any reports on poor management, bad purchasing procedures and very little on bed blocking and its use by non uk nationals, my OH works in it and I see first hand howpoorly the managment of it is, one on my customers is an ambulance driver and he was saying the other day how many non brits they cart in and as its emergency there is no collecting of inf to obtain payments, compare that to relation who was daft enough to go to france skiing without insurance, they wouldnt even take him off the mountain until his friend produced a credit card.

Perhaps I am wrong and the bbc doesnt have an agenda but are just really poor and lazy journalists

I don't think you've been looking very hard.

Try the link below to a very simple google search..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=...qdr=all&q=bed+blocking+nhs+site:www.bbc.co.uk

 

[reverand]

I have three family members in the NHS and like you say it is defiantly on its knees.
I personally have heard some of the things you highlighted, you may of missed them. There is always room for improvement though.

 

[rob1]

I don't think you've been looking very hard.

Try the link below to a very simple google search..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=...qdr=all&q=bed+blocking+nhs+site:www.bbc.co.uk

There are a few balanced reports from the beeb, saw one the other day that I thought put both sides but they dont seem to get on the main news or newsnight very often, there is IMVHO far too many "comments" from correspondents rather than reporting,just the other day one was reporting from the security where Mike pence had stated that the US was fully behind NATO etc but the reporter said well we will have to see if that really is the case, that is NOT reporting the news its making stuff up to bash trump even I can see that and I am no fan of him

 

[Wessland]

Move on to 1.08 to see Sweden

Sorry but the clip at 1.08 is not even filmed in Sweden, rather Mall of Egypt in Kairo.

 

[Ashtree]

I dont think anyone doesnt agree that the nhs faces huge problems but I havent seen seen any reports on poor management, bad purchasing procedures and very little on bed blocking and its use by non uk nationals, my OH works in it and I see first hand howpoorly the managment of it is, one on my customers is an ambulance driver and he was saying the other day how many non brits they cart in and as its emergency there is no collecting of inf to obtain payments, compare that to relation who was daft enough to go to france skiing without insurance, they wouldnt even take him off the mountain until his friend produced a credit card.

Perhaps I am wrong and the bbc doesnt have an agenda but are just really poor and lazy journalists

My God, you are so seriously misinformed. The blasé penning of anecdotal stories about non British nationals blocking beds and ambulances! Not one single mention of the fact that your beloved NHS would totally, utterly and 100% collapse in one single day without the tens of thousands of non British nationals who run the show.
On a thread about fake news, you have given us one brilliant example.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage

 

[Billhook]

Sorry but the clip at 1.08 is not even filmed in Sweden, rather Mall of Egypt in Kairo.

At 1.08 it says "SWEDEN" in capitals and is followed by an interview with two Swedish women who seem to be very Swedish to me.

I was impressed by the small but fit bloke at 7.46 who showed how to deal with four men who were bigger than him, one of which had started the whole incident by going up to his girlfriend and stroking her hair. The girl did her best as well by trying to push the attackers off balance.
All very unpleasant and worrying for two people who were obviously peacefully minding their own business.

 

[rob1]

My God, you are so seriously misinformed. The blasé penning of anecdotal stories about non British nationals blocking beds and ambulances! Not one single mention of the fact that your beloved NHS would totally, utterly and 100% collapse in one single day without the tens of thousands of non British nationals who run the show.
On a thread about fake news, you have given us one brilliant example.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage

Perhaps if you read my post you will see its not hearsay its from my WIFE who has worked for the NHS since she left school and from someone who also has done the same but in a different profession. Please quote the sentence where I have ever said that we need to/should send back to their own country one single non brit that works in the nhs they do a great job. At no point did I say non brits are blocking beds or ambulances what I said was we must get non brits to pay for treament in just the same way I have to pay abroad either through insurance or via the ehic agreement and bed blocking by old (uk)people who cant find social care .

Care to apoligise now ?

 

[wanton dwarf]

Hi @wanton dwarf here is the FBI report, also a good article about the all mess and Hilary'sown explenation, enjoy ps you ll need to cut and paste the all url address for the fbi file.
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/hillary-r.-clinton-part-01-of-06/view

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mails-2016-server-state-department-fbi-214307
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/
Again my interpretetion of the above and other reports and article I read is that error in judgement were made , together with some level of complecency and unintentional negligence , very much so. I still don t think this warranted such persecution, there was no criminal or malicious intent, and nothing was compromised, she did not commit a criminal act. Now this is my humble opinion
Now what do you think of Flynn?
What should they do to him?

 

[wanton dwarf]

But who else would you expect to select what news the BBC covers other than themselves, the government or a gender and ethnic equality panel and what is it's benefit in spinning certain stories?

Social control of the easily manipulated.

The BBC issues some propaganda about plastic bags having a 5p charge in the supermarkets promoted by celebs. Becomes socially acceptable ... despite people already paying £1000s in council tax for their rubbish to be disposed of environmentally.

Rinse and repeat.

You saw the same with the Somerset levels flooding, badgers, beavers, immigration ...

The main benefit to the BBC is a HMG ensuring the TV Tax keeps pumping large sums of money and HMG gets a worldwide propaganda tool it can use to cause social unrest affecting countries all around the world.

USA & Russia have their own propaganda media organisations as well.

 

[wanton dwarf]

@dstudent the bit where they "lost" 13 devices connected to the servers:

It basically gets worse from there .. she took mobiles into secure areas despite being told not to. Her "interpretation" was to recieve and reply to emails on the balcony.

Whereas the obvious reason why you should not take any mobile device into a secure area is because mobiles are easily compromised & unsecure. Most mobiles have the ability to tap into wireless, blue tooth and infrared communications. Meaning that despite having a "shielded" building where comms would be protected from bad stuff coming in or good stuff going out ... Hilary made the whole site vulnerable.

 

[Old McDonald]

Hilary made the whole site vulnerable.

I saw that mentioned at some stage last year. I do not understand modern methods of communication very well, but quite frankly I wondered if the woman was doing it on purpose. Some dodgy characters appear to have made very big donations to the Clintons. Maybe she is just greedy and thick - a bit like her "I never had sex with that woman" husband.

 

[Danllan]

But who else would you expect to select what news the BBC covers other than themselves, the government or a gender and ethnic equality panel and what is it's benefit in spinning certain stories?

Of course the BBC should fully control and edit its news coverage, I wrote that I dislike the BBC as it is; if it were to be as its charter demands, i.e. truly apolitical and objective, you would find no greater supporter than myself. I reiterate, it is a publically funded organisation and should, therefore, should be entirely impartial. That is all.

Its agenda is left liberalism?

Yes.