BBC Green Peter!

[GeorgeC1]

Yep, it all follows the left-liberal assertion that corporal punishment doesn't work, when the rest of us know it does. When there is no discipline at home, there has to be at school, and vice versa. There is no discipline at school now, and very soon - here in Wales - there will be none at home. What really, really p!sses me off is that the left-liberals simply refuse to recognise the direct correlation between removal of corporal punishment - i.e. scholastic discipline - and the increase in youth offenders.

Of course there always were offenders, and always will be, but 'policy' is about doing the best for most. The only light at the end of the tunnel is that increasingly more and more people are being alienated by general liberal 'sensitivities' and wokeness, so there will be an electoral backlash sooner or later.

People like to cite extreme anecdotes to support there views on schools being weak, schools do and can expel students.

Corporal punishment for kids doesn't really work it just undermines the teacher-student trust and makes it harder to rehabilitate bad behaviour imo

 

[wanton dwarf]

I've always said a Sane Green party would be the best party for Farmers to vote for, maybe not Animal Agri but they would promote localism heavily.

I bet most of the policies are not deliverable, for a multitude of reasons - but the most obvious one is trade, the inability or the lack of will to hold imports to the same standard.

That also infects all the other parties.

IMHO that is linked directly to corruption.

 

[GeorgeC1]

School workforce census 2019 - the key findings

The Department for Education has today published the latest school workforce census (November 2019).

schoolsweek.co.uk

1. Fewer teachers are leaving the profession …
2. … but more are gone after five years
3. Pupil teacher ratios are increasing in secondary schools
4. Teacher pay is on the up (but men still take home more)
5. Fewer teachers are taking sick days
6. The squeeze on time teaching non-Ebacc subjects continues

Its on the up after years of taking effective pay decreases due to inflation

 

[sahara]

My wife is a teacher at a 1000 pupil 2ndary school. She and a great many of her staff would heartily disagree with you.

It is possible to expel a pupil but only after so many chances etc that the child has usually just decided not to bother coming to school anymore!

There was a pupil excuded, but only after he had assulted my wife.

The lack of discipline etc starts at home. Just sit outside primary school and listen, you will soon spot the trouble of the future!

 

[Danllan]

People like to cite extreme anecdotes to support there views on schools being weak, schools do and can expel students.

Corporal punishment for kids doesn't really work it just undermines the teacher-student trust and makes it harder to rehabilitate bad behaviour imo

Utter rubbish, I've seen the leftovers of the school system make their way through the Criminal Justice System. When you trace the route-cause for their predicament - which I have done many, many times when defending - almost without fail it starts with no discipline for a strong-charactered child. Giving these lads a 'stern talking to' or an 'exclusion / expulsion' gets absolutely nowhere, it just passes on and amplifies the problem - they simply manipulate / ignore it. And this isn't 'an extreme anecdote', because in nearly every instance it starts with very minor things that aren't properly checked, and it escalates...

I've seen lads who had great potential, whether practical or intellectual, go down for some pretty awful things, and end up inside for most of their life all because they weren't set right at a young age; a total waste of and tragedy for them, and a drain and stress on society as a whole. It is a medical truism that prevention is better than cure, it is just as true of criminality; rehabilitation would be entirely unnecessary for those who did not go off the tracks to start with.

With particular reference to your latter bit of idiocy... a bloody stupid point that could very easily be overcome by having a non-didactic staff member for the disciplining.

But it's unnecessary, you're just churning out liberal spiel,right up until it was done away with corporal punishment did work, very well, care to explain the nigh-on immediate and continuing increase in youth offending when it ceased - going to tell us that there weren't enough naughty-steps to go around or some such?

Your preferred option has had about forty years to prove itself and has failed, completely. You're simply pushing the favoured liberal line while completely ignoring the reality for the children themselves, and the rest of society too. Self-righteous wannabee virtue-flagging priggishness at its very worst.

 

[Storeman]

If Teaching is so easy then why does the UK have a chronic Teacher shortage with Teacher retention rates an abysmal low?

Possibly because there are too many sensible people who refuse to brainwash the young with woke propaganda.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Does anyone remember the Not the Nine O’Clock News sketch from the 1980’s, where the only answer to delinquency was to “cut off their goodies”?
Some how I’m reminded of it now.

 

[GeorgeC1]

Utter rubbish, I've seen the leftovers of the school system make their way through the Criminal Justice System. When you trace the route-cause for their predicament - which I have done many, many times when defending - almost without fail it starts with no discipline for a strong-charactered child. Giving these lads a 'stern talking to' or an 'exclusion / expulsion' gets absolutely nowhere, it just passes on and amplifies the problem - they simply manipulate / ignore it. And this isn't 'an extreme anecdote', because in nearly every instance it starts with very minor things that aren't properly checked, and it escalates...

I've seen lads who had great potential, whether practical or intellectual, go down for some pretty awful things, and end up inside for most of their life all because they weren't set right at a young age; a total waste of and tragedy for them, and a drain and stress on society as a whole. It is a medical truism that prevention is better than cure, it is just as true of criminality; rehabilitation would be entirely unnecessary for those who did not go off the tracks to start with.

With particular reference to your latter bit of idiocy... a bloody stupid point that could very easily be overcome by having a non-didactic staff member for the disciplining.

But it's unnecessary, you're just churning out liberal spiel,right up until it was done away with corporal punishment did work, very well, care to explain the nigh-on immediate and continuing increase in youth offending when it ceased - going to tell us that there weren't enough naughty-steps to go around or some such?

Your preferred option has had about forty years to prove itself and has failed, completely. You're simply pushing the favoured liberal line while completely ignoring the reality for the children themselves, and the rest of society too. Self-righteous wannabee virtue-flagging priggishness at its very worst.

Much of the crime has mental health contributing factors to them, a *supportive* education system that provides positive support to children rather then having some old man dishing out canings.

It also starts at home with a supportive social care system for troubled families

Socio-economic factors play more of a role in crime than the kids not getting slapped.

 

[GeorgeC1]

Possibly because there are too many sensible people who refuse to brainwash the young with woke propaganda.

literally the only time I ever hear the term "woke" is when people post nonsense about being "anti-woke", do you even know what the definition of Woke other then what the Daily mail or Express spews?

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Much of the crime has mental health contributing factors to them, a *supportive* education system that provides positive support to children rather then having some old man dishing out canings.

It also starts at home with a supportive social care system for troubled families

Socio-economic factors play more of a role in crime than the kids not getting slapped.

I am all in favour of early intervention, very important but there should be a "stick" too as well as the Carrot, and this should be no nonsense accepted in schools. Early intervention would mean that we don't have children arriving in schools who can't talk properly or eat with implements or control their bowels.

 

[GeorgeC1]

I am all in favour of early intervention, very important but there should be a "stick" too as well as the Carrot, and this should be no nonsense accepted in schools. Early intervention would mean that we don't have children arriving in schools who can't talk properly or eat with implements or control their bowels.

Strengthen the Social Services, but they just get cut in the past decades.

I went to a special needs school, no nonsense has multiple connotations, there's students who require a different approach.

 

[An Gof]

Strengthen the Social Services, but they just get cut in the past decades.

I went to a special needs school, no nonsense has multiple connotations, there's students who require a different approach.

Strengthen Social Services ....... you really are something else!!
Discipline and a proper respect for authority is what they need.

 

[GeorgeC1]

Strengthen Social Services ....... you really are something else!!
Discipline and a proper respect for authority is what they need.

yeah because a Slap can solve mental illness, domestic abuse, etc....

 

[TheTallGuy]

Anyone who thinks that a few whacks with a cane or whatever in school is going to solve issues caused by a lack of proper parenting skills at home is very misguided.

 

[Storeman]

literally the only time I ever hear the term "woke" is when people post nonsense about being "anti-woke", do you even know what the definition of Woke other then what the Daily mail or Express spews?

Yes I Do, thank you so much for asking.

 

[GeorgeC1]

Yes I Do, thank you so much for asking.

literally woke is mostly used by people as a stick to beat people with...

 

[An Gof]

Anyone who thinks that a few whacks with a cane or whatever in school is going to solve issues caused by a lack of proper parenting skills at home is very misguided.

Agree, needs to start at home but smacking of children now not allowed.
Too much free expression and not enough respect.

 

[GeorgeC1]

Agree, needs to start at home but smacking of children now not allowed.
Too much free expression and not enough respect.

You can get respect by not hitting kids lol

 

[An Gof]

You can get respect by not hitting kids lol

You need to look at the behaviour of children now, both out of school and within school. Compare it with the behaviour 40 or 50 years ago .........

 

[wrenbird]

I can remember be smacked only about twice, maybe three times when I was a child, but that doesn't mean I wasn't scolded or corrected, far from it. My Dad was never one to raise his voice, but you really knew when you done something wrong.
You would be told exactly what you had done wrong, why it was unacceptable, what would be acceptable, and, this is the important bit I think, what you were going to do to put things right, and this last part was always followed through, you had to make amends for the consequences of your actions and take responsibility for them. I think this is what is missing from life nowadays, everybody knows their rights, but too many, children and adults, don't want to be held responsible for their actions.