Probably been discussed before but which is better winter or spring beans, never grown any before but cant do rape because of sprays used on SW and SB and harvest prob too late anyway so thought might do beans, will be done with claydon and ground is medium to heavy as in Wilts ground can be wet in March, or perhaps are spring oats better
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- Thread starter rob1
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Until all the good sprays were revoked, I would have said springs. Now I would say winters.
Spring beans, if you end up spraying them with basagran for the charlock etc; folio gold for the downy mildew; and aramo for BG, have become an expensive crop to grow. Winters can at least be kept clean with Kerb. Depending on seed weight, you can be drilling spring beans at 350kg/ha rather than half that or less for winter beans. And a dry spring will knacker the springs. Might be different with the Claydon, but I am going off spring beans and towards more linseed which I find a) easier to get rid of problem weeds and b) usually earlier to cut than spring beans.
Spring beans, if you end up spraying them with basagran for the charlock etc; folio gold for the downy mildew; and aramo for BG, have become an expensive crop to grow. Winters can at least be kept clean with Kerb. Depending on seed weight, you can be drilling spring beans at 350kg/ha rather than half that or less for winter beans. And a dry spring will knacker the springs. Might be different with the Claydon, but I am going off spring beans and towards more linseed which I find a) easier to get rid of problem weeds and b) usually earlier to cut than spring beans.
Tractor Boy
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- Suffolk
I have been getting more and more frustrated with poor crops of winter beans and am thinking about putting in spring beans with a claydon. You said seed rates can be very high, what sort of population are you looking to put in? What population were you using for winters?
What spray did you use for bg in linseed, grew it a couple of years ago and it yielded very well but had too much bg in it for my liking
You can need more sprayer passes with Spring Beans than any other crop in the rotation!
I'd say Winter Beans, not sure if in Wilts if grass-weeds are an issue but as @static says with winters you can use Kerb which is good for both control and resistance management. Whatever you do, don't spend too much on them.
I'd say Winter Beans, not sure if in Wilts if grass-weeds are an issue but as @static says with winters you can use Kerb which is good for both control and resistance management. Whatever you do, don't spend too much on them.
Almost certainly Winter then. With Springs you can be spraying insecticide almost every week!
Did have to spray some for a customer few years ago did three times I think, local bee man said it was the first time he had ever been called about spraying
Steevo
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- Gloucestershire
Trouble is if you don't spend reasonable money on them to keep the weeds down they'll come back to bite you in the following wheat crop.
Getting harder with break crops in this country - losing many actives and not really enough acres to justify registering new sprays for them. Not sure if there really is one good break crop. Find it very interesting that in the US they regard wheat as a break crop - just shows the difference in different grain demands.
Was drilling big Fuego beans at 360kg/ha. That was for 50 established plants per meter. Springs want to be a bit thicker than some might say. Although this new Fury variety has massive leaves, so maybe a bit less? Winters we were ploughing in to get about 15 plants a meter. Despite what you might think at establishment, we get very low seedbed losses even in what look like pants seedbeds.
Nothing! Roundup. Linseed disc drilled into sprayed off subsoiled-in-autumn stubbles drilled mid April. Vs beans which move a lot more soil. In a normal year the linseed would be dessicated in early to mid August. Broad leaved weeds removed with small amount of SU/bromoxynil. Apparently linseed will take a spray of Atlantis if you were to accidentaly get confused.
We have been through springs this year in one block with:
Linuron/Centium/Stomp pre-em.
Basagran post em
Laser / Aramo depending on resistance.
Folio Gold mildew
San 703 (cypro/bravo) + insecticide
and will have to go at least once more with an insecticide / perhaps fungicide, and then dessicate.
Previously, it would have been simazine pre-em. The two cheap bravo-ish fungicides. Fortrol if needed.
Linseed gets one insecticide, one herbicide, one fungicide (bit of teb) and then dessicated. It is invariably less weed. But it comes down to risk. If you grow winters and get early chocolate spot then they can be ruined. Grow springs in a drought and you can forget it. Linseed - well I wouldnt want to be cutting 650ac of it. If you are considering spring oats, then the potential for tricky combining, and lack of grassweed sprays probably dont bother you though. Over the years though the wheat after linseed has aways been the best, and linseed / spring beans are usually equally proftable.
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- Essex/Herts Border
Our spring beans (Fury and Nile) were stuck in with our MF30 drill (no idea of seed rate boss doesn't use seed rates) into ok-ish ploughed and spring tined seedbeds, have had Defy (prosulfocarb) and Sherman (pendimethalin) as a pre-em and one 18 acre field had an application of Aramo (tepraloxydim) and Fury (insecticide) and that's all they've had, very unlikely to get any fungicides or to be dessicated pre harvest. This isn't my choice but the bosses as im just the sprayman and we don't use an agronomist v often for anything especially beans. Atm they are about 50cm tall, full of a variety of weeds, not sure about disease or pest pressure atm going to have a look next week. If I suggested a fungicide if there was disease present I'd just get a look of 'are you a complete idiot why would we do that'!
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- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
I prefer springs, last grew them 3 years ago, from memory i did 3 sprays:
Did 2 t/acre and combined in mid oct
3 yrs previous to that we grew winter beans and they were a disaster! Did 1 t/acre and a mid dec harvest!
- 1 Pre em
- 1 fungi + insect (I think)
- 1 fungi for mildew
Did 2 t/acre and combined in mid oct
3 yrs previous to that we grew winter beans and they were a disaster! Did 1 t/acre and a mid dec harvest!
- Location
- North Yorkshire
We grow fuego spring beans, told to aim about 30 seeds/m2 but we went higher and they are now hellish thick and tall between 4 and 4.5 ft, sprayed yesterday with San703 and multiplex, cant remember what pre em they got but thats it, they might need 1 more before harvest but they have averaged 2t/ac for the last 4 years here
We went from winter to spring beans about 5 years ago; much easier seeding, cheaper to grow, and better yield. All seems to be changing now with sprays getting serious money, and more to the point not working so well (charlock this year has survived 3 herbicides). Might even consider a return to linseed.
Er, that’s what this thread is discussing…!
Yes. As above, keep them cheap. Max. 2 fungicides and keep serviced agronomists away from the crop or they will take any small profit from them. No insecticides here this year but in southern England you will struggle to avoid bruchid beetle damage even if you treated them every 3 days for a fortnight.
ollie989898
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I wish the old fashioned chemistry would return and you would make peas and beans more of a go-er. It would be much better for the countryside on balance because more people would grow them and there would be a lot less OSR and wall to wall wheat. Imagine the boon for the birds and bees if there were more beans about.
Yes we grow a small area of broad beans already to sell fresh from our farm shop but we had a bit that weren't sold this year, ran them through the combine once they had dried out and it worked fine. So I had just wondering if anyone else had done it and what the feed value and yeild would be like on a larger scale compared to normal field beans. I know we don't spent very much on our small bit we just put them in the ground, put pre emergence spray for weeds and that's it.