Beaurocratic nonsense.

Poorbuthappy

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Following the dreaded FABBL inspection, it seems my only crime was to have allowed my animal transporter authorisation to slip out of date.

Now this piece of paper in itself I have previously described as a "certificate to say you have a certificate". The latter being the Certificate of welfare of animals in transport.
Which is a nonsense in itself.

So I duly send off my details and copy of this certificate in order to get my animal transporter authorisation updated.

Cue receiving an email to say that my certificate of welfare of animals in transit is not in the correct format. Initially I thought this was because of the way I'd scanned it in, but no, my original, as supplied, certificate is not acceptable and I have to apply for another copy from the issuer.

What a load of beaurocratic baloney😡

BTW, the fabbl inspection was otherwise fine and he was very sensible/reasonable throughout.
 

DanM

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Country
Following the dreaded FABBL inspection, it seems my only crime was to have allowed my animal transporter authorisation to slip out of date.

Now this piece of paper in itself I have previously described as a "certificate to say you have a certificate". The latter being the Certificate of welfare of animals in transport.
Which is a nonsense in itself.

So I duly send off my details and copy of this certificate in order to get my animal transporter authorisation updated.

Cue receiving an email to say that my certificate of welfare of animals in transit is not in the correct format. Initially I thought this was because of the way I'd scanned it in, but no, my original, as supplied, certificate is not acceptable and I have to apply for another copy from the issuer.

What a load of beaurocratic baloney😡

BTW, the fabbl inspection was otherwise fine and he was very sensible/reasonable throughout.

… perhaps just tell him you use hauliers for moves over 65km 😉
 

Agrivator

Member
… perhaps just tell him you use hauliers for moves over 65km 😉
That what I do. Wouldn’t dream of hauling stock myself over 65km. 😉

The trouble is: what do you put down on the movement licence regarding the haulier and Reg. number of vehicle?

I would put down my own details, and my only defense would be I misread the distance allowed as 65 miles. and that I have no French ancestry and so have no idea what a kilometre is.
 

Electricfencer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cotswolds
The trouble is: what do you put down on the movement licence regarding the haulier and Reg. number of vehicle?

I would put down my own details, and my only defense would be I misread the distance allowed as 65 miles. and that I have no French ancestry and so have no idea what a kilometre is.
To be fair I would rarely move sheep more than that. I thought it was 65 miles or 100km.
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
The trouble is: what do you put down on the movement licence regarding the haulier and Reg. number of vehicle?

I would put down my own details, and my only defense would be I misread the distance allowed as 65 miles. and that I have no French ancestry and so have no idea what a kilometre is.
Indeed, and its alright til something goes wrong.
Have an accident or something and end up with all sorts of officialdom breathing down your neck and before you know it you get told you're not insured:scratchhead:
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
You think anyone reads the movement licenses?

I have never filled in my authorisation number on a licence, regardless of distance, and i have never received any comment on it, despite several inspections of the paperwork….. which is unreadable after a few days anyway.

I have twice had phone calls from Trading Standards (who used to ‘file’ them) to reprimand me for only filling in a loading time, and not a departure time as well.

The whole job’s a nonsense tbh.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
NFFN Member
I have never filled in my authorisation number on a licence, regardless of distance, and i have never received any comment on it, despite several inspections of the paperwork….. which is unreadable after a few days anyway.

I have twice had phone calls from Trading Standards (who used to ‘file’ them) to reprimand me for only filling in a loading time, and not a departure time as well.

The whole job’s a nonsense tbh.
If the proposed new rules come in we'll need to record the temperature at loading too and the haulier will have to record the temperature during the journey......

and check their headroom once they're loaded! :facepalm: :scratchhead:
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
If the proposed new rules come in we'll need to record the temperature at loading too and the haulier will have to record the temperature during the journey......

and check their headroom once they're loaded! :facepalm: :scratchhead:

That will actually be an efficient system. I can fill that in at the same time as I do the wind speeds on my spray records.👍
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
The trouble is: what do you put down on the movement licence regarding the haulier and Reg. number of vehicle?

I would put down my own details, and my only defense would be I misread the distance allowed as 65 miles. and that I have no French ancestry and so have no idea what a kilometre is.
Hauliers Number goes down on it 👍🏻 As it happens I’m like others and only move in the locality with hauliers doing most journeys over 10 mile, the lass working for me has done 95% of the box work since she’s been here including everything over 10 mile 👍🏻
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Or actually use (a good ) haulier .

Lorry is way more efficient and safe than ifor boxes behind pickups

and to the op , stop the FA and then be able stop the whinging about it?
Actually "whinging" about a legal requirement and the beaurocratic nonsense around it rather than fabbl itself.
And my main requirement for it is buying a few rams so no a lorry is certainly not more efficient in my case. But wouldn't disagree with you for larger numbers.
 

DanM

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Country
Actually "whinging" about a legal requirement and the beaurocratic nonsense around it rather than fabbl itself.
And my main requirement for it is buying a few rams so no a lorry is certainly not more efficient in my case. But wouldn't disagree with you for larger numbers.
Just get @Tim W to deliver them. Means the “beaurocratic nonsense” is his problem - helps justify the premium price😂
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Actually "whinging" about a legal requirement and the beaurocratic nonsense around it rather than fabbl itself.
And my main requirement for it is buying a few rams so no a lorry is certainly not more efficient in my case. But wouldn't disagree with you for larger numbers.
Get the Ram Breeder to deliver . Mind you I do miss the old days travelling to Builth and staying overnight. :cautious:
 

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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The Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland (HSENI) alongside the Farm Safety Partnership (FSP), has named new farm safety champions and commended the outstanding work on farm safety that has been carried out in the farming community in the last 20 years.

Two of these champions are Malcom Downey, retired principal inspector for the Agri/Food team in HSENI and Harry Sinclair, current chair of the Farm Safety Partnership and former president of the Ulster Farmers’ Union (UFU).

Improving farm safety is the key aim of HSENI’s and the FSP’s work and...
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