Beautiful Border Collie

[cassienairn]

Hi all - I hope this is ok. It is with an absolute heavy heart that I write this. Our beautiful 16 month border collie Jarvis needs a loving new home. He has started to growl at young children and nipped one last week. We have a 4 and a half year old son and we just cannot take the risk. We want children to come and go freely in our home, and feel this can not be anymore. We are utterly heartbroken to have to make this decision. He is amazing with adults, so affectionate, cuddles and just wants love and affection. He loves walks and playing. He has the most unbelievable coat and has been fed high quality food since he came to us. Both his mum and dad were work dogs in a farm in Wales, we think he would be suited to a farm or very active couple. This is so sad, but feel it is right for our family and him as a dog to lead a happy life. **please no upsetting comments, this is hard enough**

 

[Sandpit Farm]

Hi all - I hope this is ok. It is with an absolute heavy heart that I write this. Our beautiful 16 month border collie Jarvis needs a loving new home. He has started to growl at young children and nipped one last week. We have a 4 and a half year old son and we just cannot take the risk. We want children to come and go freely in our home, and feel this can not be anymore. We are utterly heartbroken to have to make this decision. He is amazing with adults, so affectionate, cuddles and just wants love and affection. He loves walks and playing. He has the most unbelievable coat and has been fed high quality food since he came to us. Both his mum and dad were work dogs in a farm in Wales, we think he would be suited to a farm or very active couple. This is so sad, but feel it is right for our family and him as a dog to lead a happy life. **please no upsetting comments, this is hard enough**

Really sorry to hear this. Interesting there was a thread on this type of thing recently. Where in the country are you? I can't help personally but I may know others who can.

Was the growl and nip totally unprovoked or was there some boundaries being crossed? I am not asking this to challenge your decision but it is something that is important to be clear about if you are rehoming this dog. With kids, I would imagine the dog had been tested and had warned your son (which is normal) but if there is a chance your son will interact with the dog regularly and the fact there has been a nip, it is right not to take risks. The dog is still a pup at 16 months so it is an unusual reaction.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Really sorry to hear this. Interesting there was a thread on this type of thing recently. Where in the country are you? I can't help personally but I may know others who can.

Was the growl and nip totally unprovoked or was there some boundaries being crossed? I am not asking this to challenge your decision but it is something that is important to be clear about if you are rehoming this dog. With kids, I would imagine the dog had been tested and had warned your son (which is normal) but if there is a chance your son will interact with the dog regularly and the fact there has been a nip, it is right not to take risks. The dog is still a pup at 16 months so it is an unusual reaction.

Poor f**king dog is probably bored out of his mind and was "working" the kids for soemthing to do.

Typically collie escalation of force. One of many reasons why work bred dogs don't make good pets.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Hi all - I hope this is ok. It is with an absolute heavy heart that I write this. Our beautiful 16 month border collie Jarvis needs a loving new home. He has started to growl at young children and nipped one last week. We have a 4 and a half year old son and we just cannot take the risk. We want children to come and go freely in our home, and feel this can not be anymore. We are utterly heartbroken to have to make this decision. He is amazing with adults, so affectionate, cuddles and just wants love and affection. He loves walks and playing. He has the most unbelievable coat and has been fed high quality food since he came to us. Both his mum and dad were work dogs in a farm in Wales, we think he would be suited to a farm or very active couple. This is so sad, but feel it is right for our family and him as a dog to lead a happy life. **please no upsetting comments, this is hard enough**

If you think he's not safe to be around your child, then he's not safe to be around any child. Call the vet and have him out down.

 

[Sandpit Farm]

If you think he's not safe to be around your child, then he's not safe to be around any child. Call the vet and have him out down.

No room for sentimentality eh?

 

[CopperBeech]

Another lockdown pup bought out of a working litter for cuddles on the sofa ...... surprisingly it’s not worked out.

 

[unlacedgecko]

No room for sentimentality eh?

What's sentimental about moving on a child biting dog? Dog bites (even nips) can easily inflict permanent facial scarring on children.

Do you have a daughter?

What the OP is saying is

The dog bites children
They're scared to have the dog around their children
But they lack the moral fibre to put the dog down, and want someone else to take on the responsibility of their poor decisions
Other people's children can run the risk of being bitten as that's easier on their conscience than destroying a dog they've failed to train or control properly.

 

[Werzle]

What's sentimental about moving on a child biting dog? Dog bites (even nips) can easily inflict permanent facial scarring on children.

Do you have a daughter?

What the OP is saying is

The dog bites children
They're scared to have the dog around their children
But they lack the moral fibre to put the dog down, and want someone else to take on the responsibility of their poor decisions
Other people's children can run the risk of being bitten as that's easier on their conscience than destroying a dog they've failed to train or control properly.

The OP did ask if people wouldnt judge, why be such a knob

 

[Sandpit Farm]

There are plenty of people without children who could give a young dog like this a home and the mental stimulation it needs. My questions were about what happened when the nip happened. A pup that nips a child because they are climbing on the dog in the dogs bed seems understandable. A dog that has scaled a wall and crossed a garden to bite a kid is not.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of making the decision to have a working collie as a pet, the above still stands. Give them what they need and they make excellent pets.

 

[CopperBeech]

There are plenty of people without children who could give a young dog like this a home and the mental stimulation it needs. My questions were about what happened when the nip happened. A pup that nips a child because they are climbing on the dog in the dogs bed seems understandable. A dog that has scaled a wall and crossed a garden to bite a kid is not.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of making the decision to have a working collie as a pet, the above still stands. Give them what they need and they make excellent pets.

I’d be inclined to agree with you. I could be very wrong but reading the tone of the post, I would say that the OP is not capable of handling and training an energetic, young, male, working bred collie. Or perhaps any dog, as nice an idea as having a dog is!

 

[Sandpit Farm]

Another lockdown pup bought out of a working litter for cuddles on the sofa ...... surprisingly it’s not worked out.

I didn't read that in the OP. Seriously folks, we can do better than this. We judge on assumption not fact

 

[CopperBeech]

I didn't read that in the OP. Seriously folks, we can do better than this. We judge on assumption not fact

Well going by the age of the dog and the fact that it was bought out of a working litter to be in a pet home and now has negative behaviours (all be it minor) which means although it is ‘beautiful’ it is being passed on. . . I would say that my appraisal is fairly accurate. It’s not meant to cause offence, it’s just me being straight. Over the last year I’ve been asked to find homes for quite a large number of young dogs of the same age bought for the same reasons.

 

[unlacedgecko]

There are plenty of people without children who could give a young dog like this a home and the mental stimulation it needs. My questions were about what happened when the nip happened. A pup that nips a child because they are climbing on the dog in the dogs bed seems understandable. A dog that has scaled a wall and crossed a garden to bite a kid is not.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of making the decision to have a working collie as a pet, the above still stands. Give them what they need and they make excellent pets.

People without children cannot guarantee that the dog won't ever meet a child. Unless they never take the dog for a walk in public, and never have visitors to the house.

If a dog bit my child I'd be very upset. If I later found out that dog had a history of child biting but hadn't been put down I'd be beyond angry.

 

[Sandpit Farm]

I’d be inclined to agree with you. I could be very wrong but reading the tone of the post, I would say that the OP is not capable of handling and training an energetic, young, male, working bred collie. Or perhaps any dog, as nice an idea as having a dog is!

And yet I have a twit of a working bred male collie who is asleep on my sofa as we speak and has cuddles every night. I let kids stroke him if I am there but I keep him away from kids as it isn't fair on him to decide how to act. He is sharp with other dogs and it is the only thing I would change about him... apart from the firework issue and explosive bowels after eating cat poo

 

[CopperBeech]

And yet I have a twit of a working bred male collie who is asleep on my sofa as we speak and has cuddles every night. I let kids stroke him if I am there but I keep him away from kids as it isn't fair on him to decide how to act. He is sharp with other dogs and it is the only thing I would change about him... apart from the firework issue and explosive bowels after eating cat poo

I think you’re missing my point. Im not debating that. I have lots of working dogs that love cuddles and sometimes can be found cuddled in bed with my Mrs.

What I am suggesting is that just about every person and family in the country went out and desperately bought a puppy during lockdown, at any price. The number of dogs being bred / bought went up an insane amount. Lots of folk went out and bought their beautiful fur babies and now 18 months - year later there are huge numbers of dogs being rehomed and handed in to rescue centres because people can’t cope / don’t have time / don’t have a clue what their doing.

 

[unlacedgecko]

I get offered a couple a month, including one guy who contacted me on Boxing Day to say his 18 month old dog had badly bitten his daughter the day before.

I make it quite clear to these people they can give me the dog, I'll try it and if it doesn't work stock I'll shoot it. Or they can take it to the vet themselves.

Very few take me up on my offer.

 

[puppet]

Judge, jury, executioner. Let's cut the poster some slack rather than assume they have some untrained beast in a tower block shut in all day.
Plenty of rescue dogs who are in homes with no children and on a lead or well-behaved elsewhere. I have also seen plenty aggressive collies running around farm yards and being nervous about getting out of the car but they still seem to survive.

 

[CopperBeech]

Judge, jury, executioner. Let's cut the poster some slack rather than assume they have some untrained beast in a tower block shut in all day.
Plenty of rescue dogs who are in homes with no children and on a lead or well-behaved elsewhere. I have also seen plenty aggressive collies running around farm yards and being nervous about getting out of the car but they still seem to survive.

I didn’t say any of that. I just stated the facts as presented, they bought a pet dog during lockdown. Picked a hyper breed, a male, now it’s juvenile it’s bored and looking for something to do and doesn’t have manners. And it’s being rehomed. But it is beautiful.

And for the record, lots of farmers are awful dog handlers !

 

[cassienairn]

If you think he's not safe to be around your child, then he's not safe to be around any child. Call the vet and have him out down.

I was hoping to rehome him to somewhere there are no children

 

[cassienairn]

Really sorry to hear this. Interesting there was a thread on this type of thing recently. Where in the country are you? I can't help personally but I may know others who can.

Was the growl and nip totally unprovoked or was there some boundaries being crossed? I am not asking this to challenge your decision but it is something that is important to be clear about if you are rehoming this dog. With kids, I would imagine the dog had been tested and had warned your son (which is normal) but if there is a chance your son will interact with the dog regularly and the fact there has been a nip, it is right not to take risks. The dog is still a pup at 16 months so it is an unusual reaction.

HI, thank you for your message. He is growling at all young children, and has nipped just once. We love him so much, but just feel it would be better to rehome him.