Beef building - green field site

mo!

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Mixed Farmer
Location
York
We have a 40+5×120 with 80 finishers. I'd have it 50+5 now, on TMR you don't need a full length trough and the straw blower would bed it up. Flip overs sound nice but I like our La Buvette Polystall better. Get them from IAE. They don't get mucky so don't need cleaning. On a green field I think I would have a central feed passage, only one lot of concrete rather than both sides, feed needs to be covered either way. Clean sweep troughs with no corners sound good too. I may modify ours one day.
 

JJT

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BASE UK Member
Location
Cumbria
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This is ours, 270' by 40' and 12' overhang. 11' scrape passage. 30' at end where merlo is parked is midden. Cattle come out the other end to handling set up (when we get it built!) 3rd pic is lift out barrier for mucking out. Theres two a 1/4 of the way from each end as it would be too far to muck out from the ends. Can muck out the whole shed with out taking any cattle out, just shuffle.then around a bit, hold them in scrape passage etc. Can bed from the outside with bedder. Water troughs are in the feed trough and are all linked together with just one ball cock well insulated. Wasn't cheap and some will probably say a bit OTT! Biggest a falt/ only thing I would change is cattle have to come out along the scrape passage, so to get bottom pen out you have to shut all the other pens back first. Would maybe better with a setup like @Pan mixer where cattle can come out of the back of the pen to a seperate passage.
 

Forever Fendt

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Location
Derbyshire
Tidy shed? Cattle look quite tight or is it the way they are stood?
There is 4 more bays behind where i am stood that was empty they had just been pushed along a pen , started of with 126 6 / 7 month old 300ish kg stores and went right through to finished they were tight before the first got drawn out finished perhaps 15 less would be ideal but not worth the stress of trying to split them and it was the first batch through, not so many in this time
 
Thanks for the photos of your sheds, really helpful and the concensus for the shed is about where I,m heading.
A few Qs? Are over hangs worth the cost, do they protect the feed or just stop the rain blowing so deep into the shed?
JTT how well does the midden in the shed work? How big is it? Where does it drain?
Thoughts on position of clamp and midden? I was thinking about putting the clamp along the back of the shed using the clamp wall as the back wall of the shed?
Is that really silly?
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Thanks for the photos of your sheds, really helpful and the concensus for the shed is about where I,m heading.
A few Qs? Are over hangs worth the cost, do they protect the feed or just stop the rain blowing so deep into the shed?
JTT how well does the midden in the shed work? How big is it? Where does it drain?
Thoughts on position of clamp and midden? I was thinking about putting the clamp along the back of the shed using the clamp wall as the back wall of the shed?
Is that really silly?
I have built a beef shed with a clamp behind the back wall,We used 6" panels fitted on the outside of the stanchions up to 3m high and the timber boarding above this set out on brackets to suit, it worked ok but think it perhaps hinders the air flow through the boarding you could consider stoping the boards or vented cladding short of the gutter by18" or so to aid air flow also the steels are exposed inside to fix gates to more easy than having the panels on the inside,you may want to consider having a steel tie above the top of the panels 3/4ft if some one gets carried away with the buckrake
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
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This is ours, 270' by 40' and 12' overhang. 11' scrape passage. 30' at end where merlo is parked is midden. Cattle come out the other end to handling set up (when we get it built!) 3rd pic is lift out barrier for mucking out. Theres two a 1/4 of the way from each end as it would be too far to muck out from the ends. Can muck out the whole shed with out taking any cattle out, just shuffle.then around a bit, hold them in scrape passage etc. Can bed from the outside with bedder. Water troughs are in the feed trough and are all linked together with just one ball cock well insulated. Wasn't cheap and some will probably say a bit OTT! Biggest a falt/ only thing I would change is cattle have to come out along the scrape passage, so to get bottom pen out you have to shut all the other pens back first. Would maybe better with a setup like @Pan mixer where cattle can come out of the back of the pen to a seperate passage.
looks a well thought out setup, how do you rate the feed barriers against diagonals ?
 

Horn&corn

Member
Clamp one end and muck the other although it depends on how your yard and land fits the project. Easy to double up if you want to increase then. 7’ overhang very important otherwise very wet tmr. We just use big galv pipe for neck rail although occasionally have one sat in trough.
 

JJT

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Cumbria
Thanks for the photos of your sheds, really helpful and the concensus for the shed is about where I,m heading.
A few Qs? Are over hangs worth the cost, do they protect the feed or just stop the rain blowing so deep into the shed?
JTT how well does the midden in the shed work? How big is it? Where does it drain?
Thoughts on position of clamp and midden? I was thinking about putting the clamp along the back of the shed using the clamp wall as the back wall of the shed?
Is that really silly?
Midden work well, its 30' wide. We muck out the sheds and tip on stubble fields so its only the scraped passage muck that goes in the midden. There is a tank with slats at the front that it drains into. This catches all the water when washing out in spring too. There is enough storage for about 2 months or so when scraping out that shed and another 200' of passages in another shed. But depends how dry it is as to how well it will pile up.
 

JJT

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BASE UK Member
Location
Cumbria
Another couple of thoughts, 12' over hang on our shed and wouldn't want any less to keep rain out of trough, but it can be pretty windy here. Also i would put 2 sets of hangings so gates can be lifted up a bit as muck builds up. Handy if the weather is sh!t and can't get mucked out.
 

Pan mixer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
Another couple of thoughts, 12' over hang on our shed and wouldn't want any less to keep rain out of trough, but it can be pretty windy here. Also i would put 2 sets of hangings so gates can be lifted up a bit as muck builds up. Handy if the weather is sh!t and can't get mucked out.
But we get about 200 inches less rain than you, a 5 foot overhang is fine here.
 

cozzie

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Location
Munster, Ireland
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This is ours, 270' by 40' and 12' overhang. 11' scrape passage. 30' at end where merlo is parked is midden. Cattle come out the other end to handling set up (when we get it built!) 3rd pic is lift out barrier for mucking out. Theres two a 1/4 of the way from each end as it would be too far to muck out from the ends. Can muck out the whole shed with out taking any cattle out, just shuffle.then around a bit, hold them in scrape passage etc. Can bed from the outside with bedder. Water troughs are in the feed trough and are all linked together with just one ball cock well insulated. Wasn't cheap and some will probably say a bit OTT! Biggest a falt/ only thing I would change is cattle have to come out along the scrape passage, so to get bottom pen out you have to shut all the other pens back first. Would maybe better with a setup like @Pan mixer where cattle can come out of the back of the pen to a seperate passage.
looks a great job, what sort of numbers and weight of cattle would you consider it to hold. 270ft *40ft is a hell of a big shed
 

cozzie

Member
Location
Munster, Ireland
Its 240' with 30' midden, if it wss full of 500kg stores would hold around 125 or so.

They must have some comfort, I have a slatted shed here, 105' X 50' and has often had over 220, 500kgs stores in it. Love to have the dosh to build the set ups like some have on here. they are a credit to you's
 

JJT

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BASE UK Member
Location
Cumbria
They must have some comfort, I have a slatted shed here, 105' X 50' and has often had over 220, 500kgs stores in it. Love to have the dosh to build the set ups like some have on here. they are a credit to you's
Yeah dont like to keep them too rank. Find straw use goes up exponentially as you up stocking density. I guess slats are good for upping stocking density without them getting mucky.
 

mo!

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
York
Yeah dont like to keep them too rank. Find straw use goes up exponentially as you up stocking density. I guess slats are good for upping stocking density without them getting mucky.
I'd love to see some figures on straw use to cattle density. We'd have another 50 in a shed that size but they would be mucky. How much straw per week are you putting in and how clean are they?
 

JJT

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BASE UK Member
Location
Cumbria
I'd love to see some figures on straw use to cattle density. We'd have another 50 in a shed that size but they would be mucky. How much straw per week are you putting in and how clean are they?
Sheds not that full this time of year, only half has 500-600kg cattle in, one pen had some autumn calvers in with the next pen as a creep for the calves and one pen has 32 spring born stirks in. Currently using about 10 5' bales a week. They're fairly clean but not spotless. Finished ones still need a bit of clipping out. Before christmas had 80 spring calvers in with calves. Sheds split into 6 pens so 3 lots of cows with a creep pen for calves. Was using 14 bales a week but cows were getting dirty.
 

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