Beef job on its knees

[Cowabunga]

Things go full circle in no time. They already found a,cancer link with processed food, never bet all your money on one horse .

Have you not heard that red meat causes cancer and that ruminants are causing catastrophic climate change and that one of the most effective ways to mitigate against it, to save the planet, lower heart disease and cancer, is to eliminate grazing animals from the face of the Earth?
Have you not heard that within five years from now they will be growing lean 'meat' in chemical factories on a massive industrial scale? Factories that don't burp or pee or produce slurry and will profitably sell the product for less than half today's real meat price?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Have you not heard that red meat causes cancer and that ruminants are causing catastrophic climate change and that one of the most effective ways to mitigate against it, to save the planet, lower heart disease and cancer, is to eliminate grazing animals from the face of the Earth?
Have you not heard that within five years from now they will be growing lean 'meat' in chemical factories on a massive industrial scale? Factories that don't burp or pee or produce slurry and will profitably sell the product for less than half today's real meat price?

I'm a chicken and fish man myself

 

[czechmate]

Have you not heard that red meat causes cancer and that ruminants are causing catastrophic climate change and that one of the most effective ways to mitigate against it, to save the planet, lower heart disease and cancer, is to eliminate grazing animals from the face of the Earth?
Have you not heard that within five years from now they will be growing lean 'meat' in chemical factories on a massive industrial scale? Factories that don't burp or pee or produce slurry and will profitably sell the product for less than half today's real meat price?

What will these factories use as a feed stock?

 

[Tarw Coch]

The National suckler herd has shrank by 400,000 cows in the last ten years supposedly. Not sure if in these days of devolved administrations whether that is UK or just England. Either way it’s a lot of cows.

I suspect that the dairy herd is taking up allot of that slack as cull cows are providing more of the Nations beef requirement (mince), also more beef semen is being used in the dairy herd apparently.

Aye, b

Have you not heard that red meat causes cancer and that ruminants are causing catastrophic climate change and that one of the most effective ways to mitigate against it, to save the planet, lower heart disease and cancer, is to eliminate grazing animals from the face of the Earth?
Have you not heard that within five years from now they will be growing lean 'meat' in chemical factories on a massive industrial scale? Factories that don't burp or pee or produce slurry and will profitably sell the product for less than half today's real meat price?

Probably be the only scenario where I would consider becoming vegetarian.

 

[gone up the hill]

Have you not heard that red meat causes cancer and that ruminants are causing catastrophic climate change and that one of the most effective ways to mitigate against it, to save the planet, lower heart disease and cancer, is to eliminate grazing animals from the face of the Earth?
Have you not heard that within five years from now they will be growing lean 'meat' in chemical factories on a massive industrial scale? Factories that don't burp or pee or produce slurry and will profitably sell the product for less than half today's real meat price?

I wonder if you will be so supportive of them producing a factory made milk substitute and thus doing away with the need for dairy herds

 

[gone up the hill]

She just said 40% but what do facts matter
She also said Tesco are fuming at the prospect of No Deal . "Shelvelves will be empty" View attachment 817792

No surprise that Minette Batters is more concerned with the supermarkets profit/stocking levels than the farmer members profits

For as long as she has been an office holder within the NFU everything she had done has been geared towards ensuring that first and foremost the intrests of the supermarkets are protected over and above that of farmers..

RT/ EID tagging is just two examples of this.

She will truly go down as the worst NFU president in history.

This thread reminds me of the drought summit she had with Gove last year and the only thing she wanted and what she claimed what solve farmers acute forage shortage at the time was the need for farmers to be allowed to trade water!! what a farce!!

Only positive is senior NFU members like @An Gof are now starting to realize just how badly she is fighting farmer members intrests on things like RT/ EID tagging etc.

 

[Cowabunga]

What will these factories use as a feed stock?

Marmite?

 

[Cowabunga]

I wonder if you will be so supportive of them producing a factory made milk substitute and thus doing away with the need for dairy herds

It’s odd that what I write is twisted to support twisted logic. Where did I say I supported it? It is coming to milk substitutes as well, almost certainly. With ZeroCarbon as a stated aim of UK policy by 2050, there will be massive pressures building on the ruminant industry sooner than most farmers realise.

 

[gone up the hill]

It’s odd that what I write is twisted to support twisted logic. Where did I say I supported it? It is coming to milk substitutes as well, almost certainly. With ZeroCarbon as a stated aim of UK policy by 2050, there will be massive pressures building on the ruminant industry sooner than most farmers realise.

Zero carbon is gimmick/ pipe dream and will never happen unless the country goes back to the living standards of the cave man!

 

[czechmate]

Zero carbon is gimmick/ pipe dream and will never happen unless the country goes back to the living standards of the cave man!

Room for optimism there then

 

[The Ruminant]

It’s odd that what I write is twisted to support twisted logic. Where did I say I supported it? It is coming to milk substitutes as well, almost certainly. With ZeroCarbon as a stated aim of UK policy by 2050, there will be massive pressures building on the ruminant industry sooner than most farmers realise.

The sooner farmers educate themselves, and then the public, about the truth behind ‘emissions’ the better.

Every human being on earth breathes out carbon dioxide, a gas responsible for global warming and which persists in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. Where does this gas come from? Their food, when it’s broken down during respiration.

Cattle emit a mixture of carbon dioxide and methane. Methane breaks down in about 12 years to form carbon dioxide. So the methane given out 12 years ago by your herd has disappeared and been replaced by the methane from your current herd. As long as global cattle numbers stay constant, the amount of methane in the air from cattle stays constant. Where does the methane and carbon dioxide they emit come from? As with humans, from their food, as a waste product of digestion and respiration.

The source of the carbon (in both methane and carbon dioxide) is the critical point. It is captured from the air by the plant whilst its photosynthesising. The animal comes along and eats that captured carbon then digests it and releases the carbon back into the air.

That’s why it’s called the carbon cycle.

So, how can an animal that’s only returning back to the atmosphere the carbon that was taken out of the atmosphere be responsible for global warming? Like human breath, it’s cycling carbon.

The ‘new’ carbon, that is increasing the atmospheric levels, is the stuff being dug out of the ground in the form of fossil fuels. It’s common sense.

Oh, and this fossilised carbon was simply carbon captured by plants millions of years ago. It wasn’t recycled by animals, instead it ended up in the soil and eventually as rich seams of coal and natural gas.

 

[Hampton]

No surprise that Minette Batters is more concerned with the supermarkets profit/stocking levels than the farmer members profits

For as long as she has been an office holder within the NFU everything she had done has been geared towards ensuring that first and foremost the intrests of the supermarkets are protected over and above that of farmers..

RT/ EID tagging is just two examples of this.

She will truly go down as the worst NFU president in history.

This thread reminds me of the drought summit she had with Gove last year and the only thing she wanted and what she claimed what solve farmers acute forage shortage at the time was the need for farmers to be allowed to trade water!! what a farce!!

Only positive is senior NFU members like @An Gof are now starting to realize just how badly she is fighting farmer members intrests on things like RT/ EID tagging etc.

No she won’t. PK is definitely worse.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

The sooner farmers educate themselves, and then the public, about the truth behind ‘emissions’ the better.

Every human being on earth breathes out carbon dioxide, a gas responsible for global warming and which persists in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. Where does this gas come from? Their food, when it’s broken down during respiration.

Cattle emit a mixture of carbon dioxide and methane. Methane breaks down in about 12 years to form carbon dioxide. So the methane given out 12 years ago by your herd has disappeared and been replaced by the methane from your current herd. As long as global cattle numbers stay constant, the amount of methane in the air from cattle stays constant. Where does the methane and carbon dioxide they emit come from? As with humans, from their food, as a waste product of digestion and respiration.

The source of the carbon (in both methane and carbon dioxide) is the critical point. It is captured from the air by the plant whilst its photosynthesising. The animal comes along and eats that captured carbon then digests it and releases the carbon back into the air.

That’s why it’s called the carbon cycle.

So, how can an animal that’s only returning back to the atmosphere the carbon that was taken out of the atmosphere be responsible for global warming? Like human breath, it’s cycling carbon.

The ‘new’ carbon, that is increasing the atmospheric levels, is the stuff being dug out of the ground in the form of fossil fuels. It’s common sense.

Oh, and this fossilised carbon was simply carbon captured by plants millions of years ago. It wasn’t recycled by animals, instead it ended up in the soil and eventually as rich seams of coal and natural gas.

This, this and this.^^^
A 1000 likes.

 

[gone up the hill]

No she won’t. PK is definitely worse.

They are as bad as each other imo thou MB is very good at spin and making out she is fighting on members behalves when in reality she is selling them down the river as fast as she can!

Of course now PK is head of the AHDB and his claim to fame is chucking the lamb promo that needed his signing off under his desk for months and when he was finally pulled up some months later on why he hadn't approved it he claimed he didn't know anything about it which then turned out to be a big lie!

And of course PK doesn't believe that for every £1 spent on beef/ lamb advertising is a good investment even thou it returns £8 in extra beef/lamb sales!

You really couldn't make it up!

 

[Martin Holden]

If we carry on down the road of “substitute” food creation, I fear the human race will become extinct as natural anti bodies within our immune systems will become redundant! What’s wrong with good wholesome fresh food? Biggest issue today is the modem generation can’t/don’t want to cook! I don’t think folk were so often ill with ailments 40/50 years ago. For sure pollution of the planet is an issue and needs sorting PDQ, but manufactured cultured food??? I’m not a pot noodle person!

 

[Poorbuthappy]

If we carry on down the road of “substitute” food creation, I fear the human race will become extinct as natural anti bodies within our immune systems will become redundant! What’s wrong with good wholesome fresh food? Biggest issue today is the modem generation can’t/don’t want to cook! I don’t think folk were so often ill with ailments 40/50 years ago. For sure pollution of the planet is an issue and needs sorting PDQ, but manufactured cultured food??? I’m not a pot noodle person!

Agree 100%
We're told processed food is a big cause of health issues, yet they want to process more food, and take the processing a stage further back the chain into the production stage.

 

[Cowabunga]

If we carry on down the road of “substitute” food creation, I fear the human race will become extinct as natural anti bodies within our immune systems will become redundant! What’s wrong with good wholesome fresh food? Biggest issue today is the modem generation can’t/don’t want to cook! I don’t think folk were so often ill with ailments 40/50 years ago. For sure pollution of the planet is an issue and needs sorting PDQ, but manufactured cultured food??? I’m not a pot noodle person!

You seem to be assuming that processed and artificially produced foods will be sterile. The truth is very different and where 'stuff' is produced in vast batches there is always the possibility of large scale food poisoning.

 

[Half Pipe]

You seem to be assuming that processed and artificially produced foods will be sterile. The truth is very different and where 'stuff' is produced in vast batches there is always the possibility of large scale food poisoning.

That's when the efficiency of large scale can turn very inefficient quite quickly

 

[D14]

A truly great cow will put on a serious amount of condition eating poor quality feed during summer, and then mobilise it to put into her calf/calves, cycle unaided, and get in calf in the first or second cycle.

All this expensive intervention seems to be catching up, so who is really to blame for the COP crisis?
The farmer is doing the job of the cow, far too much, and without questioning why.
Hence the modern cow "needs" more than any other time in history:
Roof
Concrete
Grain
Vet advice
Mixer wagon, tractor, mower, baler...

This is the eventual result of getting it wrong, the consumer wants cheap beef not expensive pet protein

I have often thought this. Should we ever go into beef then this is what we would do. Put them in a field and watch only getting involved when necessary. This view may upset many folks saying you know nothing etc but at the end of the day this is how all animal meat was produced for hundreds of years so why do we need all the other infrastructure today to do the same? This way of doing things would just reduce herd sizes so all the big players with sheds full of animals and not enough land to facilitate them would be pushed out. Is that a problem though?

 

[D14]

No surprise that Minette Batters is more concerned with the supermarkets profit/stocking levels than the farmer members profits

For as long as she has been an office holder within the NFU everything she had done has been geared towards ensuring that first and foremost the intrests of the supermarkets are protected over and above that of farmers..

RT/ EID tagging is just two examples of this.

She will truly go down as the worst NFU president in history.

This thread reminds me of the drought summit she had with Gove last year and the only thing she wanted and what she claimed what solve farmers acute forage shortage at the time was the need for farmers to be allowed to trade water!! what a farce!!

Only positive is senior NFU members like @An Gof are now starting to realize just how badly she is fighting farmer members intrests on things like RT/ EID tagging etc.

Batters is a totally pointless person outside of her own farming business. Like you say she has no idea what she is doing because she does not properly understand the complete picture. She's backing the supermarkets thinking that will protect demand for our produce. In reality that is a pointless position because the supermarkets will buy the cheapest not the best quality mainly because that is what their customers want - cheap food. Their shelves will undoubtedly be full of american food very shortly and joe public will be happy because its cheap. It won't be for 20 years until its realised that food was dangerous and will of by then ruined UK agriculture and crippled the NHS to no return. We will then be a little america. Meanwhile I will be eating out of my veg garden and probably forced into veganism because all meat will be dangerous.