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[bobajob]

Me

What you think of todays breeding sheep trade? In line with other markets- shearling trade was not a flyer

 

[livestock 1]

What you think of todays breeding sheep trade? In line with other markets- shearling trade was not a flyer

Were there some cheap sheep today?

 

[bobajob]

I would say they were in line with other markets, £20 back on the year was mentioned. I am not a regular at the market so dont feel I can give a fair report on the days trade/ comparison with last sale.
@hally will know better.!
I bought some shearlings, had set out hoping not to pay over £100 and I didnt. Decent ewes too.

 

[copse]

Mule shearling were a better trade at melton today, there was run of 200 off same farm and they averaged about £140 even poorer sorts £110/120 so about £10 up on previous sales.

 

[sherg]

The problem with the lamb job in the spring could be the balance of the carcass its all well and good saying we wont import anything but the great british public only seem to want chops and legs the necks and shoulders have got to go somewhere, with a bit of luck we'll get a deal and if we don't I doubt we'd see a tariff straight away going forwards it could be a problem though

 

[livestock 1]

The problem with the lamb job in the spring could be the balance of the carcass its all well and good saying we wont import anything but the great british public only seem to want chops and legs the necks and shoulders have got to go somewhere, with a bit of luck we'll get a deal and if we don't I doubt we'd see a tariff straight away going forwards it could be a problem though

This is the problem. We mainly want chops and legs here

 

[hally]

I would say they were in line with other markets, £20 back on the year was mentioned. I am not a regular at the market so dont feel I can give a fair report on the days trade/ comparison with last sale.
@hally will know better.!
I bought some shearlings, had set out hoping not to pay over £100 and I didnt. Decent ewes too.

Yeah that's about right some long faces amongst mule breeders
Thought good ewe lambs although back were not too bad but the smaller lambs took a big hit, a lot of lambs in the sixties.
Got the cheviot mules I wanted but at £95
Shearlings selective trade good ones 140 but poorer sorts bad to shift

 

[jendan]

Yeah that's about right some long faces amongst mule breeders
Thought good ewe lambs although back were not too bad but the smaller lambs took a big hit, a lot of lambs in the sixties.
Got the cheviot mules I wanted but at £95
Shearlings selective trade good ones 140 but poorer sorts bad to shift

So you got lambs then,not cheap gimmers?Maybe some Cheviot men will be tempted to put a Border on them this year.Nice Half Bred lambs might sell better and have scarcity value.

 

[hally]

Sorry yes lambs

 

[livestock 1]

Everyone was talking breeding sheep up in March April

 

[spin cycle]

Everyone was talking breeding sheep up in March April

lesson is kill when price is there.....i think the losses caused by bad spring led us to think ewes'd be sort after....which may have been true if not for the drought

 

[livestock 1]

lesson is kill when price is there.....i think the losses caused by bad spring led us to think ewes'd be sort after....which may have been true if not for the drought

There was a fair few mule gimmers that went through the fat this spring. Everyone thought they were mad maybe not

 

[Lovegoodstock]

The problem with the lamb job in the spring could be the balance of the carcass its all well and good saying we wont import anything but the great british public only seem to want chops and legs the necks and shoulders have got to go somewhere, with a bit of luck we'll get a deal and if we don't I doubt we'd see a tariff straight away going forwards it could be a problem though

Agree with you that uk want lamb but not all of it, hence ordering lamb from nz qnd parts of it, but this surely has been done, a shortage of lamb doesn't mean they buy nz lamb for the next week, the orders are generally done 5/6 months in advance, guesstimating or supposed educated calculations. They got it horribly wrong last year, be interesting this year as will want to over purchase after last year, but prices southern hemisphere wont suit them, yet our prices could warrant a high price with lack of numbers due to last springs bad lambing and high levels of lambs killed at normal or light weights this summer. Unsurprisingly my guess...

 

[Lovegoodstock]

No advertisement on lamb and a big push on pork and chicken, and who can blame them, to advertise them costs the same, so margins are key, this generation is clueless that lamb is traditional with easter, a lamb joint at at 16 quid or a chicken at a fiver with advertising... very much doubt there will be an influx of lamb, doubt there will be much sold at all sadly

 

[Lovegoodstock]

@Purli R I know you are a top stockman and know your job, you said bottom 10 % of say mule gimmer breeding lambs should be killed, fully agree, maybe 15%. Last few years trade been flying so everyone thinks they are clever in putting these lambs through, fine when things going well, these poor cheap lambs will sell and pay well, but get a year like this year, people are stuck with them, cant sell them or give them away at a loss. Then follow on affect at lamb sales these cant be give away. My lambs bought were not a lot down compared to market averages, I think they were 15/16 down, mine were a tenner down, but probably stepped up a pen in what I bought. Thought lambs were smaller and soon fell away, so value for money maybe was in a pen down, but getting a following for shearlings that this year sold at av of 145 lambed. If bought pen down I may lose following as dropping in strength, so stuck with it, do look a picture at home

 

[livestock 1]

Agree with you that uk want lamb but not all of it, hence ordering lamb from nz qnd parts of it, but this surely has been done, a shortage of lamb doesn't mean they buy nz lamb for the next week, the orders are generally done 5/6 months in advance, guesstimating or supposed educated calculations. They got it horribly wrong last year, be interesting this year as will want to over purchase after last year, but prices southern hemisphere wont suit them, yet our prices could warrant a high price with lack of numbers due to last springs bad lambing and high levels of lambs killed at normal or light weights this summer. Unsurprisingly my guess...

The AHDB are to thank for that. They provided the figures for lamb numbers available over the winter. The over estimated them and processors didn’t buy as many until end of March. Hence the price being low then lifting dramatically. They came out with a new set of figures in the spring which were totally different and acted as if it didn’t matter. So they are to thank for the lower prices earlier on.

 

[Henarar]

Store lambs Flying at blackmoor gate.

seemed to be selling well enough at sedge the week before last
if we finally get some rain around here and a late flush of grass there will be only one way store lambs will go and that's up

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Breeding sheep are less money due to lack of grass in many areas and lack of confidence and cash.

Store lambs are a surprisingly good trade due to less people wanting to go lambing and are happy to have a go at finishing a few lambs having seen how much was made this Spring. But realistically they are not dear enough for the farmer who produced them to make a decent living.

Finished lambs if you can get them to 45 kg plus are a fantastic trade for the time of year, so much for producing lambs that are "in spec"!! Lambs that are below this weight would definitely make more in the stores at the moment. Another reason to get rid of AHDB and their advisers.

Will there be a Brexit deal? Who knows. I guess there will be but whatever happens the EU will NOT allow us to have as good an arrangement as if we were Members of the Club. Why would they?
Luckily world prices of sheep meat are at an all time high and supplies are tight, however we are not well geared up to supply these markets as we do not have the same volume of supplies as NZ and Australia.

Will keeping sheep be profitable in the future? To do so we will need tariff free entry into the traditional high value market of France and other EU countries. We will need the capability to ship more live sheep into the EU which might be Ireland. We need to get into the Middle East markets, if they can be persuaded to take chilled lamb that has been Halal killed.

Before we went into the EU profitability in sheep went in five year cycles, this changed as we had nearly ten years of rising incomes, mostly due to artificial reasons of headage payments etc. and only FMD distorted this as our production fell so much. There will be much higher volatility going forward with currency deciding returns if we can continue to export. If we have to rely on the home market then I am afraid we are all doomed!

 

[gone up the hill]

Breeding sheep are less money due to lack of grass in many areas and lack of confidence and cash.

Store lambs are a surprisingly good trade due to less people wanting to go lambing and are happy to have a go at finishing a few lambs having seen how much was made this Spring. But realistically they are not dear enough for the farmer who produced them to make a decent living.

Finished lambs if you can get them to 45 kg plus are a fantastic trade for the time of year, so much for producing lambs that are "in spec"!! Lambs that are below this weight would definitely make more in the stores at the moment. Another reason to get rid of AHDB and their advisers.

Will there be a Brexit deal? Who knows. I guess there will be but whatever happens the EU will NOT allow us to have as good an arrangement as if we were Members of the Club. Why would they?
Luckily world prices of sheep meat are at an all time high and supplies are tight, however we are not well geared up to supply these markets as we do not have the same volume of supplies as NZ and Australia.

Will keeping sheep be profitable in the future? To do so we will need tariff free entry into the traditional high value market of France and other EU countries. We will need the capability to ship more live sheep into the EU which might be Ireland. We need to get into the Middle East markets, if they can be persuaded to take chilled lamb that has been Halal killed.

Before we went into the EU profitability in sheep went in five year cycles, this changed as we had nearly ten years of rising incomes, mostly due to artificial reasons of headage payments etc. and only FMD distorted this as our production fell so much. There will be much higher volatility going forward with currency deciding returns if we can continue to export. If we have to rely on the home market then I am afraid we are all doomed!

Not a hope in hell of getting rid of the AHDB and their advisors now they have the contract to run the new EID database, if anything they will end up having more control/ say over our businesses by default with the powers they are going to be given.

I expect to see a tie up between them and red tractor on real time data uploading by farmers and I believe the NFU is pushing for this.

Happy days.....

 

[LAMBCHOPS]

Breeding sheep are less money due to lack of grass in many areas and lack of confidence and cash.

Store lambs are a surprisingly good trade due to less people wanting to go lambing and are happy to have a go at finishing a few lambs having seen how much was made this Spring. But realistically they are not dear enough for the farmer who produced them to make a decent living.

Finished lambs if you can get them to 45 kg plus are a fantastic trade for the time of year, so much for producing lambs that are "in spec"!! Lambs that are below this weight would definitely make more in the stores at the moment. Another reason to get rid of AHDB and their advisers.

Will there be a Brexit deal? Who knows. I guess there will be but whatever happens the EU will NOT allow us to have as good an arrangement as if we were Members of the Club. Why would they?
Luckily world prices of sheep meat are at an all time high and supplies are tight, however we are not well geared up to supply these markets as we do not have the same volume of supplies as NZ and Australia.

Will keeping sheep be profitable in the future? To do so we will need tariff free entry into the traditional high value market of France and other EU countries. We will need the capability to ship more live sheep into the EU which might be Ireland. We need to get into the Middle East markets, if they can be persuaded to take chilled lamb that has been Halal killed.

Before we went into the EU profitability in sheep went in five year cycles, this changed as we had nearly ten years of rising incomes, mostly due to artificial reasons of headage payments etc. and only FMD distorted this as our production fell so much. There will be much higher volatility going forward with currency deciding returns if we can continue to export. If we have to rely on the home market then I am afraid we are all doomed!

Buy some shares in Farmer Owned Abbatoirs . Most Farmers sit on assets worth hundreds of thousands now due to land prices so most have the bucks to back an investment. Agree with above dont think any politician in any country wants to upset the apple cart. Imagine the wine industry being upset supplying the British market as one example. All postering at moment running around the ring but will have to engage at some time. Ding Ding