Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

[Beef farmer]

The Irish press are reporting that Brazilian beef prices are now on a par with Irish for the first time ever after a huge price surge over the last month. Maybe the China ripple is turning into a wave? Many of them have been almost vegan for years due to poverty, see how much notice they take of that self righteous hypocritical bullpoo in the media. They have a taste for meat now and won’t go back.

South American beef price rose by 33% in the month of November.

 

[livestock 1]

All of a sudden Brexit doesn’t look so bad at the moment anyway

 

[Werzle]

Perfect storm brewing for far higher uk beef prices.

 

[Full of bull(s)]

Perfect storm brewing for far higher uk beef prices.

Let’s hope so. This has been part of the problem, we have been monopolised by the meat firms who have in turn been monopolised by the supermarkets during the years of export bans and it has blinkered all of us. Compare the hundreds of millions of potential customers in developing countries hungry for our product to the relatively tiny number of whining vegans using the climate agendas to sway western tastes. A cynic might think that this is what big business is really afraid of, losing price control and that is the reason why they are quietly pumping so much into this climate/vegan agenda

 

[livestock 1]

Let’s hope so. This has been part of the problem, we have been monopolised by the meat firms who have in turn been monopolised by the supermarkets during the years of export bans and it has blinkered all of us. Compare the hundreds of millions of potential customers in developing countries hungry for our product to the relatively tiny number of whining vegans using the climate agendas to sway western tastes. A cynic might think that this is what big business is really afraid of, losing price control and that is the reason why they are quietly pumping so much into this climate/vegan agenda

This is true.

 

[Full of bull(s)]

I wonder, if prices were to rocket domestically what the odds were of seeing one of the same ‘genuine’ members of the public previously saying they were horrified by what farmers were doing to the climate etc.in a sound byte claiming something needs to be done about meat prices as they can no longer afford to buy it, causing food poverty in another.

 

[Smith31]

Let’s hope so. This has been part of the problem, we have been monopolised by the meat firms who have in turn been monopolised by the supermarkets during the years of export bans and it has blinkered all of us. Compare the hundreds of millions of potential customers in developing countries hungry for our product to the relatively tiny number of whining vegans using the climate agendas to sway western tastes. A cynic might think that this is what big business is really afraid of, losing price control and that is the reason why they are quietly pumping so much into this climate/vegan agenda

I agree with your post, but should the blame not fall on the door of the levy boards, it is their job to find and open new markets for the farmers who pay their salaries. A demonstration outside their headquarters would have a huge impact. Just hope they are reading this.

 

[Shebb90]

Perfect storm brewing for far higher uk beef prices.

Been told beef dropping next week? Any truth to this?

 

[Full of bull(s)]

I agree with your post, but should the blame not fall on the door of the levy boards, it is their job to find and open new markets for the farmers who pay their salaries. A demonstration outside their headquarters would have a huge impact. Just hope they are reading this.

Actually although I object strongly to compulsory levies, I don’t agree. Unless the meat firms follow up and try to sell it to these destinations no good will come of their efforts. ABP etc have been happy enough to sit on their arses contracted up to the big four for years, and it will be coming back to bite them on the arse now. Not on price, they will maintain an element their margin that way but in volume, the reduction in domestic demand therefore kill numbers/ carcass balance will be having a big effect. Their huge weekly overheads are still there ever marching upwards just like for all of us spread over less turnover. Recent developments in Ireland regarding export certification for meat plants shows they have woken up to this fact. Much was made a year or two back over US certification but I don’t feel any real effort was put into following it up unlike now. Much good could come out of this eventually if any of us can afford to hang in there long enough, but things can change very quickly they have before.

 

[Werzle]

Been told beef dropping next week? Any truth to this?

Nothing would surprise me over the next two weeks

 

[S J H]

Perfect storm brewing for far higher uk beef prices.

If they let us have it.

So do we not have to fear all the Brazilian beef flooding the market, post brexit?

 

[z.man]

Been told beef dropping next week? Any truth to this?

Heard some in Scotland have already dropped 2ppk ?

 

[Smith31]

Actually although I object strongly to compulsory levies, I don’t agree. Unless the meat firms follow up and try to sell it to these destinations no good will come of their efforts. ABP etc have been happy enough to sit on their arses contracted up to the big four for years, and it will be coming back to bite them on the arse now. Not on price, they will maintain an element their margin that way but in volume, the reduction in domestic demand therefore kill numbers/ carcass balance will be having a big effect. Their huge weekly overheads are still there ever marching upwards just like for all of us spread over less turnover. Recent developments in Ireland regarding export certification for meat plants shows they have woken up to this fact. Much was made a year or two back over US certification but I don’t feel any real effort was put into following it up unlike now. Much good could come out of this eventually if any of us can afford to hang in there long enough, but things can change very quickly they have before.

If the levy board do their job and open markets, I will personally put them in contact with independent abattoirs who have the line capacity and chiller capacity to to kill between 2/5000 extra cattle a week. Furthermore, to the best of my knowledge Pickstocks former abattoir is still for sale, there is capacity there to do another few thousand head a week. All we need is the levy board to do their job and open access to new markets.

The world is a big place but beyond the reach of many medium size abattoirs due to the expense involved in trade deals and employing reps etc.

 

[Woolless]

If the levy board do their job and open markets, I will personally put them in contact with independent abattoirs who have the line capacity and chiller capacity to to kill between 2/5000 extra cattle a week. Furthermore, to the best of my knowledge Pickstocks former abattoir is still for sale, there is capacity there to do another few thousand head a week. All we need is the levy board to do their job and open access to new markets.

The world is a big place but beyond the reach of many medium size abattoirs due to the expense involved in trade deals and employing reps etc.

TB could be a problem with all this. I believe that cattle destined for China killed in Ireland need to come from non TB-restricted holdings.

 

[Full of bull(s)]

If the levy board do their job and open markets, I will personally put them in contact with independent abattoirs who have the line capacity and chiller capacity to to kill between 2/5000 extra cattle a week. Furthermore, to the best of my knowledge Pickstocks former abattoir is still for sale, there is capacity there to do another few thousand head a week. All we need is the levy board to do their job and open access to new markets.

The world is a big place but beyond the reach of many medium size abattoirs due to the expense involved in trade deals and employing reps etc.

Will they want the business though?Selling it is one thing getting paid quite another. A local abattoir now no longer trading was first in when the ban was lifted and soon had some big debts owing to him that were never paid, he got his fingers burned badly, and stopped exporting. As he said selling container loads to a man on the end of a phone you’ve never met is a dangerous game . He sold a container of big bull sides to Greece, bought and killed the cattle to average £1850/head first cost, E1/E2 ready for Friday collection. He had to stand delivery cost, £11,000 for a backload. Wagon arrived Friday lunchtime, opened the doors the trailer had no rails in it. Couldn’t get a replacement wagon until Monday, the Greeks cancelled the lot. He said he blew £300/head dumping them at Smithfield. It’s a big boys game

 

[Smith31]

Will they want the business though?Selling it is one thing getting paid quite another. A local abattoir now no longer trading was first in when the ban was lifted and soon had some big debts owing to him that were never paid, he got his fingers burned badly, and stopped exporting. As he said selling container loads to a man on the end of a phone you’ve never met is a dangerous game . He sold a container of big bull sides to Greece, bought and killed the cattle to average £1850/head first cost, E1/E2 ready for Friday collection. He had to stand delivery cost, £11,000 for a backload. Wagon arrived Friday lunchtime, opened the doors the trailer had no rails in it. Couldn’t get a replacement wagon until Monday, the Greeks cancelled the lot. He said he blew £300/head dumping them at Smithfield. It’s a big boys game

Our foreign customers come to visit us, they often stay for a few days and are taken on tours of farms and marts. They make it clear what their specs are before a single live animal is purchased. Once the stock is slaughtered weight sheets are emailed as the carcasses leave the slaughterline (fresh weight) so that they can determine that every single carcass meets their weight tolerances. Further photos are emailed and sent via whatsapp. Only after receiving approval from the customer, the delivery wagon is loaded. It really is that simple.

Regardless of bad debt etc the levy board should be opening up new markets for wholesalers it's their job. Abattoirs can then make a calculated decision with regards to who they want to deal with.

With my farming hat on, we get charged for a service via levy deductions and get very little in return, the way I see it.

 

[Smith31]

TB could be a problem with all this. I believe that cattle destined for China killed in Ireland need to come from non TB-restricted holdings.

Yes you are correct, but why are we as farmers so narrow minded, they eat meat in the rest of the world too. Why crack the champagne open just because we can supply bits to China, how about the rest of the world? For example we are missing out on the massive by products markets of Asia and Africa where feet, heads bellies, brains, tongues, eyes etc command the same price as some meat cuts.

Larry and ABP were supplying Iraq 20+years ago, why are we not supplying that market? Just goes to show that the thinking of the levy board is 20+ years behind the thinking of ABP.

 

[Werzle]

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Larry and ABP were supplying Iraq 20+years ago, why are we not supplying that market? Just goes to show that the thinking of the levy board is 20+ years behind the thinking of ABP.
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Aye saddam learnt alot from larry about dictating.?

 

[Raider112]

TB could be a problem with all this. I believe that cattle destined for China killed in Ireland need to come from non TB-restricted holdings.

Plenty of us have no restrictions so there is plenty of beef out there to export and that would help those under restrictions as there would be more demand for it at home.

 

[Werzle]

Plenty of us have no restrictions so there is plenty of beef out there to export and that would help those under restrictions as there would be more demand for it at home.

Aye we will eat all the cow beef and tb restricted beef and send the good stuff abroad!