Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

[Woolless]

think there is another element in play , and thats Elms , a few arable concerns are going back into sheep (in a small way) so theres a livestock element on the farm , at the same time many breeder hoggs were cashed last feb i saw loads of very strong hoggs in sedge last spring . and £140 is maybe only £10 more than they were selling for then

Is having livestock on the farm a requirement of ELMS? I've not really seen much about it.

 

[exmoor dave]

Are they packing up or changing tact?

Changing tact

 

[spin cycle]

think there is another element in play , and thats Elms , a few arable concerns are going back into sheep (in a small way) so theres a livestock element on the farm ,

why is that helpful for ELMS?

 

[andybk]

Whilst lambs are good everyone will think buying 100 ewes is the best thing they can do with 15 grand

small change to arable outfit 15 grand wont buy you a new 5f rev plough

 

[andybk]

why is that helpful for ELMS?

my landlord was on about it , grazing cover crops , winter soil run off , etc if it was to be inc as part of an elms claim at a future date all part of stewardships , be big demand to start a flock , some want to get a few to sort out a system for future use . With recent high spring prices numbers could get tight if it happens for a few more years .

 

[spin cycle]

my landlord was on about it , grazing cover crops , winter soil run off , etc if it was to be inc as part of an elms claim at a future date all part of stewardships , be big demand to start a flock , some want to get a few to sort out a system for future use . With recent high spring prices numbers could get tight if it happens for a few more years .

HMMmm.....be nice if true...but i'll believe it when i see it

 

[Skintagain]

small change to arable outfit 15 grand wont buy you a new 5f rev plough

Buy a bit of skiing

 

[Anymulewilldo]

With the best will in the world I can't see many arable outfits who currently run no sheep going back into sheep after years without them. They might talk about it but when they actually realise that you don't just turn them out and leave them too it the idea tends too fizzle out.
I can see an increase in arable outfits willing to take tack sheep to graze off their covers etc. Excellent opportunity for the right sheep outfits in the right place. That way the arable outfits get the elms boxes ticked, covers grazed and a bit of potash put back without actually having the mither and stress of running their own sheep with all the delightful paperwork they bring with them.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Whilst lambs are good everyone will think buying 100 ewes is the best thing they can do with 15 grand

Then next year sell them all again coz its not just that easy! ?

 

[Northern territory]

small change to arable outfit 15 grand wont buy you a new 5f rev plough
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With the best will in the world I can't see many arable outfits who currently run no sheep going back into sheep after years without them. They might talk about it but when they actually realise that you don't just turn them out and leave them too it the idea tends too fizzle out.
I can see an increase in arable outfits willing to take tack sheep to graze off their covers etc. Excellent opportunity for the right sheep outfits in the right place. That way the arable outfits get the elms boxes ticked, covers grazed and a bit of potash put back without actually having the mither and stress of running their own sheep with all the delightful paperwork they bring with them.

agree with this

 

[@dlm]

But what price will the breeding lambs be? Sister sold some low 20 kilo lambs out of north country mules at 69, makes it appear unlikely you will be getting tupping lambs near high 70s, but things change dramatically in 2 months i guess

Think a bit of competition between north /south auctioneers with whom she deals with both. Sold previous 2 weeks to one, told other her prices but obviously mentioned top end not bottom, were crazy crazy prices. Sorry made 65, whole lot for light weight lambs out of mule hoggs av 71

 

[@dlm]

think there is another element in play , and thats Elms , a few arable concerns are going back into sheep (in a small way) so theres a livestock element on the farm , at the same time many breeder hoggs were cashed last feb i saw loads of very strong hoggs in sedge last spring . and £140 is maybe only £10 more than they were selling for then

Good point and something thats annoyed me for years. Everyone has tail end lambs, you do, simple as that. Some runners at mule gimmer lamb sales are late born and will make a sheep. So many are bought cheap, people for years have had chance to cash in on them march, april, may, but then think oh what will they be worth at august sales. Normally a tenner less with extra expense and depresses decent breeding ewes as a surplus about even if not fit to breed from. Then drags down gimmer lamb sale prices as a result. Think this year people did cash in with uncertainty, and whilst other factors seems to have helped whole job

 

[Skintagain]

Then next year sell them all again coz its not just that easy! ?

I know a chap who rented some land. This land kept 200 ewes ish. Landowner decided he wanted the land back to keep sheep. Chap a bit peeved sold him the 200 ewes at tupping time along with several tups and came off the land.

Landowner split land into paddocks with fencing and set water troughs etc. He lambed the sheep Hated every minute of it sold lambs as stores and sold original chap ewes and tups back again along with land back to rent all ready for paddock grazing, Winner winner chicken dinner

 

[andybk]

Good point and something thats annoyed me for years. Everyone has tail end lambs, you do, simple as that. Some runners at mule gimmer lamb sales are late born and will make a sheep. So many are bought cheap, people for years have had chance to cash in on them march, april, may, but then think oh what will they be worth at august sales. Normally a tenner less with extra expense and depresses decent breeding ewes as a surplus about even if not fit to breed from. Then drags down gimmer lamb sale prices as a result. Think this year people did cash in with uncertainty, and whilst other factors seems to have helped whole job

what made the difference this year were those that kept ewe hoggs in 2018 when they were flying in march april , thinking 2t would be dear , most lost £20 and they kept them all summer , this year they took the kings shilling . cant sell em twice . could be flyer for mule lambs this autumn

 

[livestock 1]

I said you'd be happy.

Yes! Did you buy much?

 

[RMSLLOYD]

think there is another element in play , and thats Elms , a few arable concerns are going back into sheep (in a small way) so theres a livestock element on the farm , at the same time many breeder hoggs were cashed last feb i saw loads of very strong hoggs in sedge last spring . and £140 is maybe only £10 more than they were selling for

Skipton stores £73 average. Not looking forward to starting buying my lambs... ??

Well done too the vendors but those mid range lambs in the early 80's look very dangerous too me. Will need to be £95+ nocking on £100 really too do anything more than just cover costs!

Bounce back loans burning holes in pockets?

 

[Hfd Cattle]

With the best will in the world I can't see many arable outfits who currently run no sheep going back into sheep after years without them. They might talk about it but when they actually realise that you don't just turn them out and leave them too it the idea tends too fizzle out.
I can see an increase in arable outfits willing to take tack sheep to graze off their covers etc. Excellent opportunity for the right sheep outfits in the right place. That way the arable outfits get the elms boxes ticked, covers grazed and a bit of potash put back without actually having the mither and stress of running their own sheep with all the delightful paperwork they bring with them.

I think your right . A few of the bigger sheep men are taking on 'ELS' and grazing them for not too much cost . The biggest cost to them is the time putting up the electric fencing .

 

[yellowbelly]

I think your right . A few of the bigger sheep men are taking on 'ELS' and grazing them for not too much cost . The biggest cost to them is the time putting up the electric fencing .

It's just the same as the arable boys getting a contractor in to top their ELS/HLS ground - it's worth something to them to keep it in the condition that their agreements specify by using livestock instead of machinery.

The trick is, getting them to see the 'value' of the service we provide.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

It's just the same as the arable boys getting a contractor in to top their ELS/HLS ground - it's worth something to them to keep it in the condition that their agreements specify by using livestock instead of machinery.

The trick is, getting them to see the 'value' of the service we provide.

What I have never understood is when I approach an arable man to graze covers off and they say no they'd rather pay to mulch it than let me graze it (plus I'd offer them money for it!) when asked for a reason it's always the same "we don't need the mither". When I do the fencing, I look after the sheep, I move the strip fence, I change batteries, if they escape they just pick up the phone and I come put the sheep back, all they have too do is smile and take my money when I leave I really can't see where the mither for them is?! Sometimes I really wonder if it's time subsidies on lowland ground was severely slashed!!

 

[DRC]

With the best will in the world I can't see many arable outfits who currently run no sheep going back into sheep after years without them. They might talk about it but when they actually realise that you don't just turn them out and leave them too it the idea tends too fizzle out.
I can see an increase in arable outfits willing to take tack sheep to graze off their covers etc. Excellent opportunity for the right sheep outfits in the right place. That way the arable outfits get the elms boxes ticked, covers grazed and a bit of potash put back without actually having the mither and stress of running their own sheep with all the delightful paperwork they bring with them.

If your going to grow cover crops, you might as well do the job properly and grow stubble turnips for tack sheep . Biggest con out, these expensive cover crop mixes .