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Yes I understand exactly what you have explained very well
What I’m thinking is that it’s not for everyone and I can’t see retailers looking at bits of paper with data provided for hoggs getting finished at variable times with variable weights and grades with variable losses
I could see some head scratching going on
Data is power though. They will know which ones to buy next year just like any other finisher does if he studies his kill sheets. They might have a learning curve first year mind
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
I cant see too many big arable farmers who
grow OSR wanting to plant hundreds of acres of turnips.
Between increasing flea beetle numbers and club root you
dont need Deborah Meadan to say 'I'm out'.
Think you might be wrong , my arable landlord is very keen and new scheme he went to a meeting about will pay them to put a green crop in over winter going forward , will drop the OSR in favour of other crops .There will either be an abundance of winter keep about in about 5 years or they will pile into sheep and price will fall through the floor in about 10 years .
 
Data is power though. They will know which ones to buy next year just like any other finisher does if he studies his kill sheets. They might have a learning curve first year mind
I hadn’t considered they were that clever
I meant each year is different and sheep are very much dependent and subject to the weather
Not like things that live in sheds
Will these supermarket boffins digest this ??
Feed costs and fluctuations in end values
 
Think you might be wrong , my arable landlord is very keen and new scheme he went to a meeting about will pay them to put a green crop in over winter going forward , will drop the OSR in favour of other crops .There will either be an abundance of winter keep about in about 5 years or they will pile into sheep and price will fall through the floor in about 10 years .
In ten years there will be that much land taken up for other uses that many extra people living here they will need to have four back legs
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
I wonder what they do with all the crap that’s left over at the end of it all?
They probably don’t buy my type of lamb… they’ll be buying nice crossbred lambs.

The mustard corded adviser will ring his red corded wearing chum who went too university with him. He’s now estate manager/agent for two or three 10000 acre estates up north somewhere.
“Yes Piers, of course I’ll sell you 2000 lambs old boy. All very neat and keeps my paperwork too a minimum don’t cha know”
“Ahh that’s wonderful Tristan. Cut me a good deal and we’ll have you down on for a day on the pheasant But we want none of those scotch blackface lambs. They just don’t fit the aesthetic we are going for”
“My dear boy, that’s not a problem. I can have the shepherd dump those into one of the local auction markets. They tell me there are some fools from the south who go mad for them. Anyway, I’m free the first two Saturdays in December. Toodle pip”
 
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lloyd

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Location
Herefordshire
Think you might be wrong , my arable landlord is very keen and new scheme he went to a meeting about will pay them to put a green crop in over winter going forward , will drop the OSR in favour of other crops .There will either be an abundance of winter keep about in about 5 years or they will pile into sheep and price will fall through the floor in about 10 years .
Money talks and OSR is trading at more than £500t plus bonus .
There's an awful lot of it planted this year including many who 2 years ago
said they wouldn't grow it until there was a solution to the neonics ban.
There will always be the odd exception of course.
 

JSmith

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Livestock Farmer
They probably don’t buy my type of lamb… they’ll be buying nice crossbred lambs.

The mustard corded adviser will ring his red corded wearing chum who went too university with him. He’s now estate manager/agent for two or three 10000 acre estates up north somewhere.
“Yes Piers, of course I’ll sell you 2000 lambs old boy. All very neat and keeps my paperwork too a minimum don’t cha know”
“Ahh that’s wonderful Tristan. Cut me a good deal and we’ll have you down on for a day on the pheasant”
“Ahh that’s grand Piers old boy. But we want none of those scotch blackface lambs. They just don’t fit the aesthetic we are going for”
“My dear boy, that’s not a problem. I can have the shepherd dump those into one of the local auction markets. They tell me there are some fools from the south who go mad for them. Anyway, I’m free the first two Saturdays in December. Toodle pip”
Experts from the south old boy, don’t do yourself down!!🥸
 
They probably don’t buy my type of lamb… they’ll be buying nice crossbred lambs.

The mustard corded adviser will ring his red corded wearing chum who went too university with him. He’s now estate manager/agent for two or three 10000 acre estates up north somewhere.
“Yes Piers, of course I’ll sell you 2000 lambs old boy. All very neat and keeps my paperwork too a minimum don’t cha know”
“Ahh that’s wonderful Tristan. Cut me a good deal and we’ll have you down on for a day on the pheasant”
“Ahh that’s grand Piers old boy. But we want none of those scotch blackface lambs. They just don’t fit the aesthetic we are going for”
“My dear boy, that’s not a problem. I can have the shepherd dump those into one of the local auction markets. They tell me there are some fools from the south who go mad for them. Anyway, I’m free the first two Saturdays in December. Toodle pip”
You are very polite on the phone Piers@Anymulewilldo
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
I hadn’t considered they were that clever
I meant each year is different and sheep are very much dependent and subject to the weather
Not like things that live in sheds
Will these supermarket boffins digest this ??
Feed costs and fluctuations in end values
They are very clever. That’s why they make so much money. They soon find someone who understands our job intimately that will work for them. Once they get good men working at our level away they go. If it wasn’t for our long memories and deep mistrust of them they’d have us all signed up and done!
 

Optimus

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North of Perth
You do realise that lambs are produced outside the South West too?

I haven't heard any particular horror stories from lambing time, as usually do the rounds pretty quickly. I would venture most found lambing, and the preceding winter, not fantastic, but also not disastrous. Anyone hold a differing view?

I hear lots of stories from farmers round here about how the lambs have done better this summer, as they always do in a dry time, when grass is tighter/shorter. Those in the grim North haven't had such a dismal, wet time of it as usual either.
Plenty had quite big losses around us.be our worst year for the sheep for various reasons so far.
 

Frank-the-Wool

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
In the south east there are definitely less lambs. Lambing % and survival was similar to normal, the difference was that significantly less ewes were put to the Tup.
The concerns over Brexit and lack of profitability had meant some had quit and others reduced numbers by not buying replacements. This has become a vicious circle as many are not going to increase numbers by buying expensive replacements this time round and one or two believe it may be a good time to retire.

More ewe lambs will be kept, but not that many will be tupped down here.
What will happen though when the BPS disappears?
 

Mc115reed

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Livestock Farmer
There’s been a hell of a lot of new folks buying sheep of any sort I noticed it start in February they are still at it now
Makes me wonder why they didn’t buy some when they were cheap for all them years before??
There’s only a certain number of idiots that want too lamb the f**kers though so I don’t think we need too worry about it too soon yet
 

Top Tip.

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Location
highland
Ahhh, now I haven’t seen the numbers for that yet. Numbers have certainly been well up at the Marts I use. wether that means there are more about or people are selling faster this year I don’t know. I was talking too a BIG livestock haulage man the other week and he was saying how many thousand more lambs than normal had come south of the border from Scotland for the time of year.
Speaking to one of the Stirling auctioneers today,he reckoned folk have been selling stores much quicker this year and that they had about a fortnights sales with numbers and then they would dry up.
 

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