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Werzle

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Location
Midlands
I think trying to calculate margins on lower input prices is a waste of time
Similarly using less fert or feed ect
Cattle and sheep could be sold in a rougher condition years ago but if you want to be in the game now they really need to look the part
If it could be done i would rather make 20k profit on 100 rough ones than 40k on 100 that look the "game" and cost me 20k to get there.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Would probably be better off ......1000 lambs @-£30 =30k , 120t fert at £400 less =£ 48k , 20k litres fuel at 50% of current value 7k so it would depend on how much cattle and grain dropped but on the deal your offering , yes please

I’m not into intensive productions systems these days….. but surely you can’t be using 120t of fertiliser and 20k litres of fuel to produce 1000 lambs? ;)
 
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Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
China and India were being forced to use fertiliser on any land that would grow for food security at the beginning of Covid almost two years ago it was a kind of forced subsidy that farmers had to take up on.
At the same time a hell of a lot of fert or ingredients for fert were on the move everywhere
Not been right since
And still China announced a few weeks ago to their population that they would have to start rationing so that there was food for everyone as supplies were so tight. Many think China is full of rubbish farmers etc, far from it. India has some of the best farmers in the world and China has some outfits that would make Dyson look like a small holder. 100,000 cows on 1 unit etc. you’ve also got all the Stan’s and a lot of the Soviet Union feeding China, along with most produce from the Southern Hemisphere since China’s pig herd was buried alive in 2018.

My uncle went to one of his factories near Shanghai in 2009, he was told that they are building a city the size of New York every week.
 

Mc115reed

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Another 2 weeks and I’ll be drawing off them lambs I was told I couldn’t market 👀 we will see if I get shafted or makes no difference 🙊🙉 I don’t think stood in the field they look any dirtier than anything Iv ever sold normally but I suppose we will see .. the lambs in the field with them that have all there belly and arse wool though look like they’ve been having a mud bath
 
If it could be done i would rather make 20k profit on 100 rough ones than 40k on 100 that look the "game" and cost me 20k to get there.
Yes but with the rough ones you are subject to a fragile trade and anything can happen on the day
With the fed ones you will have a more secure market with more buyers and will look better against other stock on the day
A lot of things in life are good in theory but no good in practice
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
Speaking to a sheep farmer the other day who said he was going to sow a lot less fertiliser but feed his ewes for an extra month in the spring if required. He has done his calculations and reckons this to be the most economic way.
That’s what I’m planning. 👍 cheaper too directly feed the ewe/cow than sow fert, lose a % too the atmosphere, not rain for a fortnight, rain too much etc.
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
But you will have to cut ALL your fixed costs as well including wages/ or what you draw out of the business to live on, how do you do that when everything that you need on a personal level like gas/ fuel/ etc etc is rapidly climbing in price?

All you are on is a race to the bottom!
Depends how you look at it, is it better to pay a workman £500/wk when his food, fuel energy bills are £250/wk or pay him £300/wk when his bills are £150.

Only my opinion but more of a race to the bottom accepting fert at £750/t , fuel at 75p and demanding more than current stock prices . Rather stock stay at current prices and fert and fuel etc drop
 

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