Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

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Devon
I wouldn’t be surprised if he took digs at me as everything goes direct but you send mostly live 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤣
Everyone should do what is right for them and their business and selling deadweight is fine if that is the best thing for you to do but supermarket contracts/ cop contracts/ intergrated supply chain contracts are NOT in either the industry's or farmers best intrests either short or long term!

Only one winner with the above contracts and that is certainly not the hardworking farmer!
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Everyone should do what is right for them and their business and selling deadweight is fine if that is the best thing for you to do but supermarket contracts/ cop contracts/ intergrated supply chain contracts are NOT in either the industry's or farmers best intrests either short or long term!

Only one winner with the above contracts and that is certainly not the hardworking farmer!

Most of my (better) sheep farming neighbours have been supplying Waitrose on contract for many years. None of them seem very keen to give those contracts up. They are all happy with what they get from that contract, and have been for years…. even if they all cringe when they have to select the Focus Prime rams at Innovis.🤐
 
Most of my (better) sheep farming neighbours have been supplying Waitrose on contract for many years. None of them seem very keen to give those contracts up. They are all happy with what they get from that contract, and have been for years…. even if they all cringe when they have to select the Focus Prime rams at Innovis.🤐
They may be happy with these contracts but I agree with GUTH these contracts are NOT in either the industry's or farmers best interests either short or long term. If these farmers had an iota of long term commercial sense they wouldn't be doing it
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
They may be happy with these contracts but I agree with GUTH these contracts are NOT in either the industry's or farmers best interests either short or long term. If these farmers had an iota of long term commercial sense they wouldn't be doing it

How else can Waitrose get anyone to use those particular Aberdoodah rams though? They have to offer a contract outlet at a sufficient premium or they wouldn’t have the supply they want.

I understand the simplistic point, but each to their own. They’re all happy with it, and have been for a long time, so can’t be too bad from the individual farmers’ POV I guess.
 
An extremely interesting report. How often do these come out?

The most significant factor of this is how weak the NZ dollar has become again.
While this might look good in the short term for the NZ primary producer it will mean significant extra costs for them, especially oil and energy.
I will have to book a trip to NZ when we are allowed to go again as a pound buys you over $2.00!!
Should be fortnightly but the previous one was November 2021.

Link here:
 
How else can Waitrose get anyone to use those particular Aberdoodah rams though? They have to offer a contract outlet at a sufficient premium or they wouldn’t have the supply they want.

I understand the simplistic point, but each to their own. They’re all happy with it, and have been for a long time, so can’t be too bad from the individual farmers’ POV I guess.
Are those tups meant to sire lambs with better marbled meat?
 

Hilly

Member
How else can Waitrose get anyone to use those particular Aberdoodah rams though? They have to offer a contract outlet at a sufficient premium or they wouldn’t have the supply they want.

I understand the simplistic point, but each to their own. They’re all happy with it, and have been for a long time, so can’t be too bad from the individual farmers’ POV I guess.
It’s not each to their own tho is it that’s the problem , the supermarkets just play farmers like a fiddle and they fall for it every time.
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Fat , that allegedly the house wife not want ? It’s all a big game to them and they never loose , they must laugh their heads off at farmers , I know a lot of other business peopel do 😂 .
that marbled fat is different to the stuff on the outside ,(have you seen a wagu steak ?) marbled is an omega 3 fat and a lot dissolves in cooking , its where the flavor comes from , Its actively being bred for down under , one of our rams genetics we sent down was an outlier for it and has slightly changed breeding policy here .
think signet may be encouraging it now after throwing the baby out with the bath water through the 90s
 
Fat , that allegedly the house wife not want ? It’s all a big game to them and they never loose , they must laugh their heads off at farmers , I know a lot of other business peopel do 😂 .
Folk have been brainwashed about fat being bad, which is why most supermarket meat has minimal amounts on. It's also why my mother-in-law insists on 'very very low fat mayonnaise' despite being about 5 stone 🤔
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
that marbled fat is different to the stuff on the outside ,(have you seen a wagu steak ?) marbled is an omega 3 fat and a lot dissolves in cooking , its where the flavor comes from , Its actively being bred for down under , one of our rams genetics we sent down was an outlier for it and has slightly changed breeding policy here .
think signet may be encouraging it now after throwing the baby out with the bath water through the 90s

Signet aren’t encouraging it but, especially with CT scanned genetics, they do provide a means to select for it. The market here isn’t rewarding it though, so I would think progress in that direction will be limited/non-existent.
Quite the reverse, premiums are being paid on confirmation, rewarding the use of Texel, and especially Beltex, genetics which are extremely low in imf% but have hard gigot muscling.

As you well know, Signet ebvs have changed a lot since 40 years ago. It’s now 20 years since excessively lean sheep were hammered hard on index, not that that has much to do with marbling/imf. Increased growth and muscle yield is obviously still the main aim of terminal sire BLUP, as it should be.
 
Signet aren’t encouraging it but, especially with CT scanned genetics, they do provide a means to select for it. The market here isn’t rewarding it though, so I would think progress in that direction will be limited/non-existent.
Quite the reverse, premiums are being paid on confirmation, rewarding the use of Texel, and especially Beltex, genetics which are extremely low in imf% but have hard gigot muscling.

As you well know, Signet ebvs have changed a lot since 40 years ago. It’s now 20 years since excessively lean sheep were hammered hard on index, not that that has much to do with marbling/imf. Increased growth and muscle yield is obviously still the main aim of terminal sire BLUP, as it should be.
But it seems only the family butchers and export markets are prepared to pay for this quality not the mass market in the uk
 

Hilly

Member
Folk have been brainwashed about fat being bad, which is why most supermarket meat has minimal amounts on. It's also why my mother-in-law insists on 'very very low fat mayonnaise' despite being about 5 stone 🤔
Yes I agree , animal fat is healthy and tasty In moderation , processed foods with lord knows what added is the problem combined with easier life styles .
 

Hfd Cattle

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
@Werzle @Hfd Cattle what was clean cattle like today in Hereford...?
Only stayed for bulls and first fws lots of stores... cows strong money even the poorer ones ( which I thought were the dearest when you saw them )
Bulls big big money
Few clean I saw just left me thinking 'the fat will have to go up not down'
Said to OH when I got home " I think we are mad keeping all these stores in the shed "
 

andybk

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
But it seems only the family butchers and export markets are prepared to pay for this quality not the mass market in the uk
until the GP find better taste / tenderness in the AUS/ NZ meat that comes in down the line , then we will be playing catch-up again, GP will walk around a wagu steak that looks like a slab of streaky bacon , until they try one ,
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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