Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
Ask some of the sellers at Hexham that
Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker
- Thread starter TFF
- Start date
- Location
- Northumberland
Maybe they dont have the courage of their convictions.I think pride comes into it aswell,when they are selling really good uns through the live ring for everyone to see.Its not the same as selling all deadweight and showing someone a kill/grid sheet saying they all made £1500 plus.Some tidy butchers heifers go in the fat ring at Hexham but they are usually smaller weights and dont come to as much gross.I can understand big heifers going through the store ring,because some are bought for breeding,effectively bulling heifers.
- Location
- Shropshire
Is it even possible for heifers?
Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
Not on my farm
- Location
- Northumberland
post: 4172896, member: 6937"]Is it even possible for heifers?[/QUOTE]
Only if they were first registered when they were 3 or 4 months old instead of under 27 days
Only if they were first registered when they were 3 or 4 months old instead of under 27 days
beefandsleep
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- Location
- Staffordshire
Depends when they were registered, as said, unless you see them weighed and sold you cannot possibly say what they were worth.
had e nuff
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- Location
- Durham
Just because it says 12/13months on passport could be nearer 15. See it all the time in the calf ring. Big calves only showing 4/5 weeks on passport.
Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
You're going to start getting yourself in a right scrow if you start registering calves 3 months after they were born....it'll come back round the next year and you'll forget where you are
- Location
- Northumberland
I think the Farmers Weekly had a petition or something like it to change the 27day passport/registration in 2004/5,but it didnt seem to get off the ground.I would support such a move,maybe a type of banding charge for over 30/60/90 days etc,of maybe £50/£100/£150.per animal.Most late registrations occur from pressure of work or ill health etc,so it would remove the need or temptation to alter the birthdates.
- Location
- Northumberland
Onl
Only too true! I think the BCMS register from 240 days after last calving.Rejected applications are more likely followed up with an on spot visit from your friendly Trading Standards,and possibly wanting to do some blood sample DNA testing aswell.It can go from bad to worse!
Lovegoodstock
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- Location
- Buckinghamshire
Agree with above point, irritating though when you bought a blue cow with a 6 month old calf that I weaned a few months later, then popping out a very good calf a few weeks later. Then flashing up on my farming programme as cow given birth too early, do you register it knowing it will be you that gets a spot check, not the bloke that registered late, a pain, agree not difficult to do, but what it actually gains I really don't know. I had an issue for a year where I had a lot of cattle with wrong sex on passport, store buyers bought them fine as only a posting back to bcms, it was embarrassing as there was more than an odd one, down to one night spilt some water on lap top, then when registering calves whilst clicked on say heifer it fluttered and ended up as bull calf, didn't realise until it came apparent 15 months later, but one guy sold a fat beast from me that was wrong sex that he hadn't notice or forgotten to change, deemed unfit for human consumption, really...? So when told it was in bin for incineration he said he would pick it up anyway to eat at home, surprise surprise they couldn't find it in dicard bin, but found it on hook with others, farcial rubbish. If you want to cheat you can easy, with the angus or Hereford scheme, under 30/ 36 month old the same, just makes the whole passport traceability scheme farcial
Coximus
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Funny that on the discards - Ask for the condemed one back for the dogs as its my property if not paid for.......... always, always 100% an error and its either gone missing or swinging in the fridge.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
They'd be the first to charge you for disposal, if it was discarded.
Coximus
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I sell about 1/5 of my stock directly, and since I told them thaT ive not had one rejected - As I will take it back, and by definition if they let me take it back its not condemed - A polish lad in the yard told me virutually nothing goes in the bin - Stock allways trimmed or someone wants to see it, so it mysteriously was an error in judgement and either gets paid for or given back. He tutted alot/.
Lovegoodstock
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- Location
- Buckinghamshire
That's what I mean, fair enough movements through bcms improves traceabilty, but in all honesty I really don't think makes any difference, when you see premium brands in supermarkets that are made up, farm names and pictures of farmers that don't exist, then why really does the importance of the exact date of birth or sexor breed matter an iota, it doesn't, yes the sex and breed an date of birth should be right, but as said earlier I had an issue with pc, so genuine mistakes were made, deemed to condemn a carcass to the bin, yet a blatant lie of the same carcass means it is sold by the 1000s kilos across numerous supermarkets, the principal is the same but the regulation different. So wrong and so annoying we are at the bottom of the ladder
smallholder99
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the stress of traceability has harmed farmers health more than it has improved the publics health
Lovegoodstock
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- Location
- Buckinghamshire
It apparently is essential to get beef and lambs into our abattoirs, yet somehow with eggs and meat ingredients going into processed food is not so essential, but if not assured and traced will nigh on kill you on our side, but somehow fine if not assured and traced when they want to buy cheaper??!!!
- Location
- Northumberland
Let us know how you get on.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Do you take your own straw?