Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

[Werzle]

This is my opinion, but I think they will have more of an effect on the barren cow price than the utm price. What is worrying me slightly is the predicted unemployment rate is going to be,but that will have an effect on the whole agri sector.

Has any one tried to finish kiwi bull calves before? We tried a couple of years ago as there are a few spring calving herds around here. The calves were next to nothing to buy, drank the same amount of powder as the tidy beef calves, eat as much as them but weighed half as much. They got ripped to shreds on the grid and we wished we never seen them.

Again just my opinion.

Need a ranch where you can cut them and then turn them out until they are 3-4 yrs old!

 

[Hfd Cattle]

When they going to let vendors start watching their stock sold? Completely farcical that they won’t let a dozen farmers into a cattle mart when half the country is either rioting or shopping till they drop

Just turn up .

 

[Celt83]

Need a ranch where you can cut them and then turn them out until they are 3-4 yrs old!

And they still would be as heavy as a drowned rat! ?

 

[gone up the hill]

I cant see why the beef price will drop in 2-3mths tbh, if the drought had continued i could of understood farmers offloading store cattle and the dairy boys culling cows which would have caused a glut, but most places have had rain now and the milk price is being forcast to rise quite sharpley very soon, dairy cow trade is flying. Im starting to think the livestock markets are pushing the myth that trade won't last because they want bigger numbers to sell because there own finances are struggling.
The only pressure on beef prices for the next 12 mths will be fake news from the slaughterhouses trying it on.

I hope you are proved right and im wrong in 3/5 months time but im not anywhere near convinced that will be the case!

Does anyone know if there is much of a backlog of prime cattle in Ireland?

I see that Irish beef farmers are getting a multi million ££ bailout to help offset the costs from the corvid19 market disruption...

On the vendors at market, vendors are now allowed back in under strict conditions, I cant see the rules changing much untill the 2 meter rule is reduced to 1 meter or removed all together, it may go back to 1 meter but I then suspect you will have to wear masks like people on public transport now have to do ( which is why the gov are stalling on the 2 meter rule as they want to see how it effects public transport first ).

 

[Highland Mule]

So Aldi only sold scotch beef last year?

Presumably that’s all that was on sale in the stores they surveyed, when they surveyed them.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

This is my opinion, but I think they will have more of an effect on the barren cow price than the utm price. What is worrying me slightly is the predicted unemployment rate is going to be,but that will have an effect on the whole agri sector.

Has any one tried to finish kiwi bull calves before? We tried a couple of years ago as there are a few spring calving herds around here. The calves were next to nothing to buy, drank the same amount of powder as the tidy beef calves, eat as much as them but weighed half as much. They got ripped to shreds on the grid and we wished we never seen them.

Again just my opinion.

I tried it once. 3/4 kiwi fresian, 1/4 jersey. £10/calf at 10 days. got 10 so could run as a batch. like you say, drank as much as a proper calf (would have cost £60 then) ate as much as a proper calf and looked still sh!t at 14 months when the proper calves are finished and gone at 12 months! saved £50 incoming cost, took £110 less for them. and the grass rat dairy men can't understand why I don't want anything to do with them!

One of my mates bought a ruck of 1/2 kiwi 1/2 jersey calves again £10 each. told me that the way too make them pay was to cut and turn out. he kept them till 27 months and just dumped them in the store market at the end. he just couldn't get them to hold flesh. was feeding them good forage in the winter, not skimping I would have said. gone back to Holsteins now.

 

[gone up the hill]

I tried it once. 3/4 kiwi fresian, 1/4 jersey. £10/calf at 10 days. got 10 so could run as a batch. like you say, drank as much as a proper calf (would have cost £60 then) ate as much as a proper calf and looked still sh!t at 14 months when the proper calves are finished and gone at 12 months! saved £50 incoming cost, took £110 less for them. and the grass rat dairy men can't understand why I don't want anything to do with them!

One of my mates bought a ruck of 1/2 kiwi 1/2 jersey calves again £10 each. told me that the way too make them pay was to cut and turn out. he kept them till 27 months and just dumped them in the store market at the end. he just couldn't get them to hold flesh. was feeding them good forage in the winter, not skimping I would have said. gone back to Holsteins now.

Another forum member posted some costing's for a grass/ outdoor wintering system for NZ mongrels a few months ago.

If everything went like perfect you would at best make £1800 for every 90 cattle you had and that included keeping them for 2 years!

Utter waste of time!

 

[ImLost]

Does anyone have any figures of what Jersey type bulls would typically kill out at, regardless of spec? I'm guessing around 250kg at 2 years old?

 

[sheepwise]

So Aldi only sold scotch beef last year?

Yes 100% Scotch in their Scottish stores.

 

[e3120]

I tried it once. 3/4 kiwi fresian, 1/4 jersey. £10/calf at 10 days. got 10 so could run as a batch. like you say, drank as much as a proper calf (would have cost £60 then) ate as much as a proper calf and looked still sh!t at 14 months when the proper calves are finished and gone at 12 months! saved £50 incoming cost, took £110 less for them. and the grass rat dairy men can't understand why I don't want anything to do with them!

One of my mates bought a ruck of 1/2 kiwi 1/2 jersey calves again £10 each. told me that the way too make them pay was to cut and turn out. he kept them till 27 months and just dumped them in the store market at the end. he just couldn't get them to hold flesh. was feeding them good forage in the winter, not skimping I would have said. gone back to Holsteins now.

The only way I'd consider entertaining a batch of these mongrels (or even the very poorest holsteins tbh) is if either they arrived with plenty of notes paperclipped to the passport, or were delivered, reared, gratis. Now I can see how neither option is very palatable to the 'breeder' but maybe when the liability cost of these calves is factored in, this type of cow will become less attractive.

If either of these suggestions was taken up, or avoided by more sexed semen, that still results in an increase in the amount of dairy beef. Whether this makes cows worth less, or sucklers less viable, it still sounds very like a race to the bottom. Sadly that's what the market seemingly wants.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Does anyone have any figures of what Jersey type bulls would typically kill out at, regardless of spec? I'm guessing around 250kg at 2 years old?

The ones I tried were 15 months 200-255kg all graded O1/O2-

 

[S J H]

Yes 100% Scotch in their Scottish stores.

Ok, sorry I thought it meant all British stores.

 

[jendan]

When they going to let vendors start watching their stock sold? Completely farcical that they won’t let a dozen farmers into a cattle mart when half the country is either rioting or shopping till they drop

Sell them at Carlisle,and just say you want to buy some as well.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Does anyone have any figures of what Jersey type bulls would typically kill out at, regardless of spec? I'm guessing around 250kg at 2 years old?

Don't know about a Jersey bull but we killed a steer at 22 months old for the freezer . He killed out at 260kg .
Lovely meat .

 

[Hampton]

Don't know about a Jersey bull but we killed a steer at 22 months old for the freezer . He killed out at 260kg .
Lovely meat .

Not sure you could make money on that though.
260 at probably an o- 4? Even at current levels that puts it at £3.20/kg and you are right on the lower carcass limit.
260kg x 3.20 = £832

 

[goodevans]

If you were given the calf that is £832 in 22 months ,BB x bull say £368 as calf that's £1200 at 22 months.It would be very interesting what the difference in food intake over those 22 months was .

 

[Henarar]

The only way I'd consider entertaining a batch of these mongrels (or even the very poorest holsteins tbh) is if either they arrived with plenty of notes paperclipped to the passport, or were delivered, reared, gratis. Now I can see how neither option is very palatable to the 'breeder' but maybe when the liability cost of these calves is factored in, this type of cow will become less attractive.

Will the breeders just make an attempt at rearing them, welfare could easily be worse for these calves with the new rules

 

[Hampton]

If you were given the calf that is £832 in 22 months ,BB x bull say £368 as calf that's £1200 at 22 months.It would be very interesting what the difference in food intake over those 22 months was .

On current trade, my BBX bulls are averaging £1350. Had one this week make £1450! Even the 2 herefords averaged over £1200 and they were only 335kg

 

[goodevans]

That's what I wanted too see

 

[Werzle]

Will the breeders just make an attempt at rearing them, welfare could easily be worse for these calves with the new rules

Instead of the milk buyers forcing the dairy farmers to rear these mongrels for years to come they should instead force them only use friesian semen for a few years and then the problem would sort itself. Although perhaps the dairy farmers will work this out for themselves