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The other side of it is that those extreme tups from these flocks when used on mules or other maternal ewes will lamb quite easily and produce a higher value lamb. This means the rams are worth more. It's the pures that need the C sections. I'm not condoning C sections in pures and I don't think it's right to farm like that but I think this is a reason why it continues. It will be the same for a lot of beef cattle.

Buying those extreme heifers like they have at Kirkby for breeding can't pay in a normal commercial situation. I think a lot of the buyers are following a dream of producing show winners which will be very valuable. It can also be a bit of an ego trip
 
As if too add insult too injury he said that everything he’d served with the blue (older cows) had calved unassisted grand as owt. Jacked the odd big lim bull calf but as he says, that’s pretty normal
You boys slaver some utter rubbish about Angus’s mind ffs I will have calved over 5000 cows to Angus bulls and have had 3 c sections and one of the was a reflexia things good and bad in every breed so give the bull sh!t and the hate campaign against Angus cattle a rest eh , look at the rest of the world that receive no subsidy the big players in the beef world do you thjnk they use continental cattle for easy caving 😂
I keep thinking this. An old neighbour of mine had a herd of pure angus. They were a sight to behold. They were as big as any limo grew like hell and calved themselves mostly. I had chance to buy some when he packed up but I wasn’t in a good place with money at the time I often wonder what could have been.
 
If folks keep buying what they produce then who are the fools?
The other side of it is that those extreme tups from these flocks when used on mules or other maternal ewes will lamb quite easily and produce a higher value lamb. This means the rams are worth more. It's the pures that need the C sections. I'm not condoning C sections in pures and I don't think it's right to farm like that but I think this is a reason why it continues. It will be the same for a lot of beef cattle.

Buying those extreme heifers like they have at Kirkby for breeding can't pay in a normal commercial situation. I think a lot of the buyers are following a dream of producing show winners which will be very valuable. It can also be a bit of an ego trip
 

Anymulewilldo

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The other side of it is that those extreme tups from these flocks when used on mules or other maternal ewes will lamb quite easily and produce a higher value lamb. This means the rams are worth more. It's the pures that need the C sections. I'm not condoning C sections in pures and I don't think it's right to farm like that but I think this is a reason why it continues. It will be the same for a lot of beef cattle.

Buying those extreme heifers like they have at Kirkby for breeding can't pay in a normal commercial situation. I think a lot of the buyers are following a dream of producing show winners which will be very valuable. It can also be a bit of an ego trip
Doesn’t make them worth £10k plus though… 😉😂
As with everything, chasing that top 1% usually attracts too much cost too pay realistically. There are of course instances where a cow and a bull just click and you get a perfectly natural calf that is just the dogs balls!! 👌
 
The other side of it is that those extreme tups from these flocks when used on mules or other maternal ewes will lamb quite easily and produce a higher value lamb. This means the rams are worth more. It's the pures that need the C sections. I'm not condoning C sections in pures and I don't think it's right to farm like that but I think this is a reason why it continues. It will be the same for a lot of beef cattle.

Buying those extreme heifers like they have at Kirkby for breeding can't pay in a normal commercial situation. I think a lot of the buyers are following a dream of producing show winners which will be very valuable. It can also be a bit of an ego trip
Pal of mine bought some in lamb big pedigree Texel ewes from a so called top breeder. Lambing time came and even his Mrs couldn’t get her hand through their pelvises. He couldn’t believe it. 3 ewes 3 c sections. He killed the lot which is what the breeder should have done. C sections have a lot to answer to
 

Anymulewilldo

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I get slated at certain meetings when the vets are on about c sections in sheep. I stand up and point out that in a completely commercial situation it is better too use the cartridge than ring the vet. Until they get the cost down too something bearable it won’t be changing.
 

Hilly

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I get slated at certain meetings when the vets are on about c sections in sheep. I stand up and point out that in a completely commercial situation it is better too use the cartridge than ring the vet. Until they get the cost down too something bearable it won’t be changing.
Eh no , the cost needs to stay high so idiots avoid that end , them that knowingly breed animals knowing that difficult births will be the outcome need the cartridge not the animal ! And I for one would happily be the man that pulls the trigger , knowingly breeding animals knowing c section will be the outcome is disgraceful way to go on desperate barstewards .
 

Anymulewilldo

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Eh no , the cost needs to stay high so idiots avoid that end , them that knowingly breed animals knowing that difficult births will be the outcome need the cartridge not the animal ! And I for one would happily be the man that pulls the trigger , knowingly breeding animals knowing c section will be the outcome is disgraceful way to go on desperate barstewards .
That is very very true. 👍 keep it dear or every bugger will be having them.
 

yellowbelly

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I get slated at certain meetings when the vets are on about c sections in sheep. I stand up and point out that in a completely commercial situation it is better too use the cartridge than ring the vet. Until they get the cost down too something bearable it won’t be changing.
First loss is always the cheapest loss.
I don't know what it costs for a C section now but with the rapidly escalating price of E grade lambs and cull ewes I guess the 'break even' point it might be 'do-able' nowadays.
 

neilo

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First loss is always the cheapest loss.
I don't know what it costs for a C section now but with the rapidly escalating price of E grade lambs and cull ewes I guess the 'break even' point it might be 'do-able' nowadays.

Our vet charges about £70 I think. IF the outcome is two live lambs and a live ewe to cull at weaning, it could be argued that it was financially worthwhile (that’s what they tell me when I mention cartridges anyway).

We all know that’s not a guaranteed outcome though, although I guess it would be more likely for elective ceasars.

The vet’s that I have had most respect for in my career would all have taken the breeders to task for needing lots of ceasars, but I guess there are plenty that will keep quiet and take the money.
 
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neilo

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Pal of mine bought some in lamb big pedigree Texel ewes from a so called top breeder. Lambing time came and even his Mrs couldn’t get her hand through their pelvises. He couldn’t believe it. 3 ewes 3 c sections. He killed the lot which is what the breeder should have done. C sections have a lot to answer to

Happens in all breeds.:(
A few years ago I enquired about a Charollais ewe that I’d been underbidder on, a hell of a ewe but made £2k. Apparently they hadn’t been lucky with her, having had to have a CS as her pelvis was so small they could even get a hand in, let alone a lamb out. They then told me that the only way they’d dare breed from her since was by ET. :facepalm:
 

Anymulewilldo

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Our vet charges about £70 I think. IF the outcome is twolive lambs and a live ewe to cull at weaning, it could be argued that it was financially worthwhile (that’s what they tell me when I mention cartridges anyway).

We all know that’s not a guaranteed outcome though, although I guess it would be more likely for elective ceasars.

The vet’s that I have had most respect for in my career would all have taken the breeders to task for needing lots of ceasars, but I guess there are plenty that will keep quiet and take the money.
Last time they tried talking me into it it was £120 vet time plus drugs. At the time lambs were £75 and ewes £60-£75. We knew it was a huge single. Probably dead so it was a straight “er no”
 

yellowbelly

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Happens in all breeds.:(
A few years ago I enquired about a Charollais ewe that I’d been underbidder on, a hell of a ewe but made £2k. Apparently they hadn’t been lucky with her, having had to have a CS as her pelvis was so small they could even get a hand in, let alone a lamb out. They then told me that the only way they’d dare breed from her since was by ET. :facepalm:
At least they told you - you can avoid buying anything from them from now on :whistle:
 

Al R

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I know some pedigree texel breeders that C section most and even C section embryo transferred mules then selling the ram lambs for breeders 🤦🏻‍♂️

I follow a vet on Instagram who isn’t to far away from me, she goes to her partners farm at lambing in mid/north wales with over 2,000 romneys and they had pen fulls of C section ewes that she was doing, looked like multiple a day being done 😮
 

Al R

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Trouble is by the time the shepherd as realised it a c section he/has probably done to much damage to the ewe. That what I think anyway, if I think I’m hurting the ewe I just shoot and cut the lambs out.
My success rate doing this method are quite good, although my don’t tend to be from too tight but sometimes lambs to big or they’ve got TLD and have gone into the coma stage.
vets are almost an hour from me and they said it’d be around £120 to do it in the practice - they said if it was me to carry on the way I am 👍🏻
 

neilo

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Trouble is by the time the shepherd as realised it a c section he/has probably done to much damage to the ewe. That what I think anyway, if I think I’m hurting the ewe I just shoot and cut the lambs out.

Absolutely. I always reckon to get live lambs out that way, as long they are still alive and viable when I reach for the gun of course. Sometimes it’s the most responsible action imo.
 

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