Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

[neilo]

More than one way too skin a cat Neil! And if we all skinned it the same thered be a f**k load of dead cats about for 2 months of the year

Of course there is and I’m not knocking that. The comment was about costs being high, which aren’t going to reduce in such a system.

 

[neilo]

Sorry I'm thick.
So ALL of your lambs have gone, none going on to turnips ? Two debates going here, one for big versus small ewe's, and one for big or mid weight lambs, a few lambs went from here last week, woolly headed shrop's 58kg £157.50p per head, how does that compare with the lambs you are currently selling, or have sold recently.

The ewe size is pertinent because you don’t get 55-60kg lambs, at this time of year, from small ewes. You need to run big ewes to produce those, which are costlier to keep.

Good for you getting that price, but it’s certainly not a common occurrence is it? Those big lambs have been in demand recently, but it’s a niche market that would be quickly overdone, as was seen with hoggets in Spring 2019.

As I posted earlier, I watched several pens of good (although not as good as @jackstor ’s I expect) 54-56kg lambs making around £7/hd more than 45kg lambs. I would suggest that is the more normal difference in trade.

 

[neilo]

I remember people on here saying breed everything 40 kilos because that’s what fits into a plastic tray and that’s what’s wanted…now they are wanting big lambs

As the old adage goes….they always want what you haven’t got

They were wanting ‘some’ big lambs, but it’s a market that’s quickly overdone when everyone jumps on it.
40-45kg lambs suit many outlets, and have consistently been the sweetspot for lamb weights for as long as I can remember. Occasionally it’s possible to have a flier with small, or big, lambs of course, but only when there aren’t many about and an abattoir has a specific order to fill.

 

[neilo]

@Mc115reed has got us all skinning cats now

How much are cat skins worth?

Worth a bob or two made into slippers perhaps?

 

[Top Tip.]

I don’t think I’ve ever had a ewe above 80kg! but you are those huge Suffolk Halfbreds and 7/8 bred texels and they do take some space up!

These big ewes are some trade at the minute,up to £240 for a pen of 3 is the best I’ve seen.

 

[muleman]

These big ewes are some trade at the minute,up to £240 for a pen of 3 is the best I’ve seen.

No need to breed off them at that price!

 

[BELOWAVERAGE]

The ewe size is pertinent because you don’t get 55-60kg lambs, at this time of year, from small ewes. You need to run big ewes to produce those, which are costlier to keep.

Good for you getting that price, but it’s certainly not a common occurrence is it? Those big lambs have been in demand recently, but it’s a niche market that would be quickly overdone, as was seen with hoggets in Spring 2019.

As I posted earlier, I watched several pens of good (although not as good as @jackstor ’s I expect) 54-56kg lambs making around £7/hd more than 45kg lambs. I would suggest that is the more normal difference in trade.

I disagree about ewe size and selling lambs at this time of year, decent keep and they'd do it no problem.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Those ewe lambs what you buy wouldn't grow into what you'd class as a smaller type of ewe though would they ? There'd be some weight in them.

Yes, but they are mules. It’s a BIG fat mule that gets too 80kg, plus ours breed as ewe lambs, anything trying too free load from shearlings onwards is off down the road. Plus we have too many sheep on for anything too get over fat. Nicely fit yes, but not rolling in it.

 

[XXFarmerJessXX]

Livestock Sale​

Monday 13th December 2021

FATSTOCK MARKET – MONDAY 13th DECEMBER - RED MARKET​

York Auction Centre had 515 head of stock forward including 208 Cattle, 170 Sheep and 137 pigs at their weekly sale of Prime stock.

Back to normal numbers today. Black and white bull trade was back quite a bit, however well fleshed types were still over 200p/kg

The best continentals were a very strong trade topping at 300p/kg for a magnificent British Blue from Chester Brown, weighing 836kg and grossing a heavy £2503.

The handy weight clean cattle, both heifers and steers, were a very good trade, up to 319p/kg for a 560kg heifer adding up to £1783 from W & L Thompson, Middleton who had 5 continental heifers in and averaging an amazing 313p/kg.

Steers up to £2052 from W Robshaw & Son and heifers up to £1882 from H Crossley & Sons.


CATTLE

50 Continental Young Bulls sold to 300p/kg from C Brown and to £2503.82 also from C Brown; to average 237.68p/kg.

12 Native Breed Young Bulls sold to 262p/kg from C Brown and to £1903.72 also from C Brown; to average 223.50p/kg.

47 Black and White Young Bulls sold to 218p/kg from G J Taylor and to £1419.33 from Wagstaff Bros; to average 182.06p/kg.

38 Continental X Steers sold to 306p/kg from W Robshaw & Son and to £2052.96 from W Robshaw & Son; to average 251.74p/kg.

48 Continental X Heifers sold to 319p/kg from W & L Thompson and to £1882.44 from H Crossley & Sons; to average 270.27p/kg.

12 OTMs sold to 172p/kg from J R Edgar and to £1502.49 from L Dale & Son; to average 138.54p/kg.


Young Bulls
Continental
C Brown 300p/kg; S Beachell & Son 288p/kg, 278p/kg, 273p/kg, 269p/kg; Dale Farms 285p/kg, 240p/kg, 239p/kg, 228p/kg; R E Schofield 268p/kg, 267p/kg, 262p/kg; D Hardcastle & Sons 266p/kg, 245p/kg; D Mitchell 266p/kg; D G Johnson & Son 263p/kg; J M Summerson 263p/kg, 247p/kg, 227p/kg; R Addy 257p/kg, 253p/kg; G Baxter & Sons 255p/kg, 250p/kg, 238p/kg, 228p/kg; Agri Tec EDC Ltd 255p/kg, 242p/kg, 230p/kg; M & D Nicholson 250p/kg, 234p/kg; F & R M Pickering 247p/kg, 228p/kg; J D Lumley 246p/kg; D R & S E Rivis 239p/kg; D A Shirt & Sons 233p/kg, 226p/kg, 217p/kg; J K Nattrass 231p/kg; H W Cowling & Son 220p/kg, 218p/kg

Native Breeds
C Brown 262p/kg; H W Cowling & Son 256p/kg; I & J L Smith 242p/kg, 230p/kg; Agri Tec EDC Ltd 238p/kg; J Brewster 231p/kg; M & D Nicholson 227p/kg; Dale Farms 216p/kg; R A Suddaby 210p/kg, 185p/kg; M Davison 206p/kg; J F & J M, T Stephenson 185p/kg

Black & Whites
G J Taylor 218p/kg, 212p/kg, 209p/kg, 198p/kg, 183p/kg; R Brownbridge & C Kirkby 210p/kg, 185p/kg, 180p/kg; M & D Nicholson 202p/kg; Robin Warkup Ltd 199p/kg, 193p/kg, 188p/kg, 186p/kg, 179p/kg; Wagstaff Bros 199p/kg, 196p/kg, 192p/kg, 186p/kg; A Sykes 198p/kg; R A Suddaby 195p/kg; A Sykes 190p/kg; J B Jackson 186p/kg, 177p/kg; J M Summerson 185p/kg, 183p/kg, 181p/kg; D A Shirt & Sons 182p/kg; J D Lumley 180p/kg, 165p/kg; M Davison 177p/kg, 170p/kg, 166p/kg; H W Cowling & Son 174p/kg; J Brewster 174p/kg; S Thompson 167p/kg; A H Grant & Sons 166p/kg, 164p/kg

Steers
Continental

W Robshaw & Son 306p/kg, 291p/kg, 290p/kg; C A Potter 289p/kg; M & C L R Dale 287p/kg, 286p/kg, 281p/kg, 268p/kg, 261p/kg; L Dale & Son 287p/kg, 232p/kg; C W Foster 286p/kg; J F, JM & T Stephenson 284p/kg, 250p/kg, 240p/kg; F W & J M Douglas Ltd 281p/kg, 272p/kg, 251p/kg, 248p/kg, 241p/kg; J M Douglas 278p/kg, 265p/kg; H W Cowling & Son 275p/kg, 222p/kg; D J & H B Walshaw & Son 274p/kg, 229p/kg; Dale Farms 271p/kg, 259p/kg; H Crossley & Sons 234p/kg, 225p/kg; J Cawkwell 224p/kg; L Steele & Son 220p/kg, 204p/kg; J M Summerson 206p/kg; E A Hughes 170p/kg, 166p/kg, 160p/kg


Heifers
Continental

W & L Thompson 319p/kg, 318p/kg, 311p/kg, 309p/kg; L Dale & Son 299p/kg, 290p/kg; P B Fox & Son 297p/kg, 290p/kg, 288p/kg; L Dale & Son 297p/kg, 293p/kg, 284p/kg, 260p/kg; R Mccaie 292p/kg, 290p/kg; C W Foster 290p/kg, 286p/kg, 282p/kg; H Crossley & Sons 289p/kg, 288p/kg, 284p/kg; F W & J M Douglas 287p/kg, 264p/kg, 250p/kg, 248p/kg; D G Johnson & Son 280p/kg, 250p/kg; J M Douglas 280p/kg; Dale Farms 277p/kg, 264p/kg; I Mitchell 275p/kg, 268p/kg; I & J L Smith 273p/kg; C A Potter 270p/kg; J Cawkwell 248p/kg

OTMs

J R Edgar 172p/kg; L Dale & Son 160p/kg, 155p/kg; Edgar Bros 156p/kg; I Mitchell 151p/kg; W B & A Kilby & Son 150p/kg; J F, J M & T Stephenson 150p/kg, 141p/kg; J & J Rycroft 144p/kg; J R Gowthorpe Ltd 108p/kg


SHEEP

Excellent show of lambs forward. The champion pen went to M R Cass, weighing 43.6kg selling at 642p/kg, grossing £280. This is one of the highest prices achieved for a considerable time. Reserve champion was taken by R A Dobson, weighing 47.3kg selling at 543p/kg, totalling £257. Both the champion and reserve was purchased by Knavesmire butchers, York.

Best pen of ewes went to S Beachell & Son Selling at £170 each.

Special mention to Sophie Gittus who took the young producer award and produced lambs for every weight section, she should be very proud.

132 lambs sold to 642p/kg from M R Cass and to £280 also from M R Cass; to average 314.58p/kg.

35 cull sheep sold to £170 from S Beachell & Son.



Lambs Per Kg

M R Cass 642p/kg, 376p/kg, 340p/kg, 333p/kg, 324p/kg, 318p/kg, 317p/kg, 285p/kg, 282p/kg; R A Dobson 543p/kg, 365p/kg; Gilson & Co 361p/kg, 293p/kg, 278p/kg; R Wilson 358p/kg, 317p/kg; Banklink Ltd 340p/kg, 316p/kg, 302p/kg, 290p/kg, 276p/kg, 267p/kg; Riseborough Farming 331p/kg, 317p/kg, 300p/kg; B Pearson 318p/kg, 276p/kg; Mr & Mrs Thompson 315p/kg, 281p/kg; T S Watson 304p/kg, 250p/kg; K G Clarke 274p/kg, 252p/kg; G B Harrison 266p/kg, 252p/kg, 229p/kg

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PIGS

The champion pen of pigs was presented by Mark Horsley of Skirpenbeck, who supports the market 52 weeks of the year. The judge, Luke Swales of Knavesmire Butchers, York awarded the best in show to a pair of pigs weighing 125kg each and selling at 260p/kg or £325 per head to the judge.

The reserve champion pigs also went to Mark Horsley with a pair of 108kg pigs selling at 216p/kg or £233 per head.


128 pigs sold to 260p/kg from J T Horsley and to £325 also from J T Horsley.

Gilts sold to 260p/kg from J T Horsley; to average 103.45p/kg

Baconers averaged 92.79p/kg

9 cull pigs sold to 9p/kg from D Angus.

TO ENTER YOUR STOCK AT YORK AUCTION CENTRE LIVESTOCK MARKET CALL:

CATTLE
Edward Stephenson (Auctioneer) - 07801 685663
David Moxon (Auctioneer) - 07885 353925

PIGS
Rod Cordingley (Auctioneer) – 07801 685660

SHEEP
Stephen Burley (Auctioneer) - 07736 081785

YORK AUCTION CENTRE
Monday 20th December 2021​

 

[BELOWAVERAGE]

The ewe size is pertinent because you don’t get 55-60kg lambs, at this time of year, from small ewes. You need to run big ewes to produce those, which are costlier to keep.

Good for you getting that price, but it’s certainly not a common occurrence is it? Those big lambs have been in demand recently, but it’s a niche market that would be quickly overdone, as was seen with hoggets in Spring 2019.

As I posted earlier, I watched several pens of good (although not as good as @jackstor ’s I expect) 54-56kg lambs making around £7/hd more than 45kg lambs. I would suggest that is the more normal difference in trade.

Just a thought and then I'll shut up, about five years ago I had a pure clun hog lamb on twenty third of June to an Oxford tup, lamb went into Welshpool at exactly twenty weeks, 50kg and £80, so they'd do it. Back on topic, pig prices, son bought three sow's and a boar the other day, two sow's at 140kg were 1pence a kg, one sow at 180kg was 2pence a kg and a lovely boar weighing 280kg they couldn't sell through the auction, the chap said to buy him a cup of tea, but when they went in the office to change it over, they wouldn't do it without a price, so charged him £1 , after the levy was knocked off the four pigs came to a total of £3.26pence.

 

[andybk]

skinning cats, planking wood got to be a diversification opportunity there somewhere

sedgemore fat monday

sedgemore store / cull , breeders sat

 

[Hilly]

Neil is still bitter about his Tesco contract

He’s Tesco’s pin up boy

 

[Nithsdale]

How did you get on today?

Find out when I get the email, but I'm away so will be tomorrow

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Just a thought and then I'll shut up, about five years ago I had a pure clun hog lamb on twenty third of June to an Oxford tup, lamb went into Welshpool at exactly twenty weeks, 50kg and £80, so they'd do it. Back on topic, pig prices, son bought three sow's and a boar the other day, two sow's at 140kg were 1pence a kg, one sow at 180kg was 2pence a kg and a lovely boar weighing 280kg they couldn't sell through the auction, the chap said to buy him a cup of tea, but when they went in the office to change it over, they wouldn't do it without a price, so charged him £1 , after the levy was knocked off the four pigs came to a total of £3.26pence.

Jeeeesus Christ

 

[thorpe]

Faster its finished the less it tastes!

and the older it gets the corser it gets, unless its hung 3 weeks and they wont do that!

 

[harperfarmer]

I dont see any issue there. Nearly every breed of clean beast should be fat by 24 months . If it's not, you need to ask yourself why not.

Because they come here nearly that age and only a framey 450kg. The man that reared it might be quite happy to grow it on cheaply to that age/weight without pumping food into it. Then it arrives here and we take it through to finish. I'll admit though any of our own don't get anywhere near that age. Bulls 12-14 months. The right heifers 12-14 months and the remainder 18-22 months. But if the man we buy off sees a margin in it to do otherwise who an I to knock that!?

 

[livestock 1]

I dont see any issue there. Nearly every breed of clean beast should be fat by 24 months . If it's not, you need to ask yourself why not.

When you’re dead you don’t know you’re dead it’s the people around you that suffer

The same thing happens when you’re stupid

 

[Al R]

So the original debate was whether it paid to take lambs to bigger weights now, what sort of weights and money are your lambs doing now, without their organic premium ?

It all depends how tightly stocked you are and how much your feeding them?

I get as many lambs off around 40kg that I can pre weaning as we dry/burn off after 10-12 days with no rain. Once weaned the ewe lambs have priority and the store lambs are put on rougher/framing grass.

Last week sent some of each, getting down to the dregs now though. Organic’s around 19.2 kg dead came back £126. Non organic 19.8kg were £125.

 

[BELOWAVERAGE]

Jeeeesus Christ

He had one the other week we didn't think was worth risking farrowing again so hung her up the day after he'd bought her, 100kg of sausage and 20kg of bacon, it's a crime they are making so little.

 

[bobajob]

Just a thought and then I'll shut up, about five years ago I had a pure clun hog lamb on twenty third of June to an Oxford tup, lamb went into Welshpool at exactly twenty weeks, 50kg and £80, so they'd do it. Back on topic, pig prices, son bought three sow's and a boar the other day, two sow's at 140kg were 1pence a kg, one sow at 180kg was 2pence a kg and a lovely boar weighing 280kg they couldn't sell through the auction, the chap said to buy him a cup of tea, but when they went in the office to change it over, they wouldn't do it without a price, so charged him £1 , after the levy was knocked off the four pigs came to a total of £3.26pence.

Geez I knew the pig job was bad but omg.
To think there will be people going hungry because they cant afford much