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[Anymulewilldo]

View attachment 1046291No power harrow , pig harrows !

Are they what we call seed harrows? Zig zag with 6 inch spikes?

 

[Sheepykid]

Quite agree it used to be a good job, but powder and calf corn has about buggered the job. Never liked taking all the calves. You get the bad ones that eat all the profit of the good ones and that leaves the middle ones twice the work to do!

Yeah that’s true. But buying from market can be a expensive learning curve. A calf that looks okay at 14 days old but is riddled with m.bovis. Which just ends up dragging the rest down. Until you learn the farms not to buy from it can be a difficult job.

 

[Optimus]

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Nice bulls, what's the breeding of them?

 

[Hilly]

Nice bulls, what's the breeding of them?

One is inkstack thurso and one is Erive Stranraer, he uses SAV blood sav is unreal !

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Yeah that’s true. But buying from market can be a expensive learning curve. A calf that looks okay at 14 days old but is riddled with m.bovis. Which just ends up dragging the rest down. Until you learn the farms not to buy from it can be a difficult job.

True. At Chelford grandad used to drop me off early to watch who was dropping which big bunches of calves off. Then I made quick note of numbers and went from there. At least now you get a screen and the vendors name up. Unless you go to Leek, then it’s just pot luck!

 

[Gedd]

Depen

Are they yummy mummys or yukky mummys ?

Depends whether you just entrring the pub or leaving

 

[Hilly]

Nice bulls, what's the breeding of them?

SAV , hes my cow maker the other i use as a terminal .

 

[Hilly]

Are they what we call seed harrows? Zig zag with 6 inch spikes?

No they are saddle back x pigs oink oink

 

[Woolless]

View attachment 1046294SAV , hes my cow maker the other i use as a terminal .

Who/what/where is SAV? Nice bull

 

[Hilly]

Who/what/where is SAV? Nice bull

Merica.

Who/what/where is SAV? Nice bull

Schaff Angus Valley

Some say best in the world …

 

[Greythundercloudys]

Lmbs a good trade at ua, 2000 average 310ppkg.

 

[Rogstores]

True. At Chelford grandad used to drop me off early to watch who was dropping which big bunches of calves off. Then I made quick note of numbers and went from there. At least now you get a screen and the vendors name up. Unless you go to Leek, then it’s just pot luck!

Leek is too dear for calves , and if u wanted a bunch u would have to buy the lot

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Leek is too dear for calves , and if u wanted a bunch u would have to buy the lot

That’s why I swapped to Drayton. Would take 5 weeks to get a batch of decent fresian rearing calves out of leek!

 

[hendrebc]

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Looks like they had a good sale in stAsaph today

 

[gone up the hill]

Wouldn’t be so sure there’d be much in that now with £2400 powder and £400/ton calf cake. Unless your sourcing your calves extremely cheaply. In the southwest the young cattle job hasn’t moved on since 12 months ago. People are too concerned with the money needing to finish them I think. Just my take on it.

I would love to know where all these cheap 6 month old stirks and/ or all these 12 week old weaned calves that you say are not making any more than 12 months ago are?? because trade for both groups has been a lot dearer the last 2/3 months than 12 months ago!

Still money in it for the weaned calve producer if they buy the calves right and do them well.

As for the question about getting into cattle cheaply, only one route really and that is do as someone else above suggested and that is set up a TB unit, buy TB calves and then get them reared/ TB clear and sold on, you will pick these calves up very cheaply and well below open market values.

As for rearing calves under contract, the answer to that is would be no, if you are going to do that then you would be better off working for someone else rearing their calves for £15/20 hour!

 

[livestock 1]

I would love to know where all these cheap 6 month old stirks and/ or all these 12 week old weaned calves that you say are not making any more than 12 months ago are?? because trade for both groups has been a lot dearer the last 2/3 months than 12 months ago!

Still money in it for the weaned calve producer if they buy the calves right and do them well.

As for the question about getting into cattle cheaply, only one route really and that is do as someone else above suggested and that is set up a TB unit, buy TB calves and then get them reared/ TB clear and sold on, you will pick these calves up very cheaply and well below open market values.

As for rearing calves under contract, the answer to that is would be no, if you are going to do that then you would be better off working for someone else rearing their calves for £15/20 hour!

Yes it wouldn’t be my cup of tea but you would need to see the figures

 

[gone up the hill]

Yes it wouldn’t be my cup of tea but you would need to see the figures

The figures will look great, first couple or so groups will be good calves and do well.. Then it will all be downhill from there!

Not anywhere near enough profit in the beef job to be paying out to both the farmer doing the work and a calf group.

If you are going to do all that work for someone else's cattle that you do not own but have all the risk/ have to hit tough growth targets or get penalised but have no say on what type/ where the calve comes from etc etc then you are better off either doing your own calves or just working for someone else rearing their calves.

 

[livestock 1]

The figures will look great, first couple or so groups will be good calves and do well.. Then it will all be downhill from there!

Not anywhere near enough profit in the beef job to be paying out to both the farmer doing the work and a calf group.

If you are going to do all that work for someone else's cattle that you do not own but have all the risk/ have to hit tough growth targets or get penalised but have no say on what type/ where the calve comes from etc etc then you are better off either doing your own calves or just working for someone else rearing their calves.

I mentioned it because he’s looking for a start with cattle without a big lot of capital outlay which I can understand if he’s renting a new farm with the associated costs at the moment
A decent suckler cow and calf is over 2k a good heifer and calf is 3k I can’t imagine he will be buying a load of them then waiting 4 years for the money to come back in

 

[Skintagain]

I’d still be milking @Mc115reed

plenty of cows about atm.

I love dairy cows. If I had a ring fence that is what I would do. Are you softening yet?

 

[gone up the hill]

I mentioned it because he’s looking for a start with cattle without a big lot of capital outlay which I can understand if he’s renting a new farm with the associated costs at the moment
A decent suckler cow and calf is over 2k a good heifer and calf is 3k I can’t imagine he will be buying a load of them then waiting 4 years for the money to come back in

Cheapest way will be buying his own calves, even buying the better end Fri type stuff there will be a margin in them if bought right.

On the suckler cows, i cannot see they will pay at 2/3k+ outfit for anyone unless they are show or pedigree breeding animals given the very high costs of keeping cows now!

At 3k you are looking at £250+ a year just in depreciation/ losses per cow per year!