Devil's advocate
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Bees do matter. But used correctly the neo nics help bees by reducing the need for foliar treatments.
Beet yields 2020
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Bees do matter. But used correctly the neo nics help bees by reducing the need for foliar treatments.
Mixedupfarmer
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- Norfolk
Not if they ban those as well!
Devil's advocate
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- Posh side of Barnsley
One day genetics & bological products will be available.
But we need more research & less bans until the science moves on.
But we need more research & less bans until the science moves on.
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- the brecks norfolk
I heard today that after Christmas the factories are going to cut there daily slice as low as possible to prolong the campaign to allow growers the best possible chance to send beet that are either stuck on fields or heaps that are inaccessible to machinery.
Apparently this is because BS are desperately short of sugar and are already looking to import cane sugar to make up the short fall!!!!
A few questions came to mind.
-why arent NFUs telling BS that it's there own fault and all they need to do is pay a fair price for beet. The growers are out there just not at the current price.
- why isnt it being rubbed into the face of government and the like of monbiot that because of the loss of noenics BS are now being forced to import sugar from the far reaches of the world to make up the short fall, what carbon foot print does that have and to what standards has it been grown too. I bet if wont have a QA sticker on it when it arives here!!!!!!
Id say with only 80% odd of growers committed to grow next year, coupled with a producer who is short and with the prospects of no deal and corona making it harder and more exensive to import goods into the uk, If there was ever a time that our reresentative had a strong hand to play itll be now but i guess knowing how weak they are theyll be more likely to take a price cut to help BS throught these difficult times!!!!
Apparently this is because BS are desperately short of sugar and are already looking to import cane sugar to make up the short fall!!!!
A few questions came to mind.
-why arent NFUs telling BS that it's there own fault and all they need to do is pay a fair price for beet. The growers are out there just not at the current price.
- why isnt it being rubbed into the face of government and the like of monbiot that because of the loss of noenics BS are now being forced to import sugar from the far reaches of the world to make up the short fall, what carbon foot print does that have and to what standards has it been grown too. I bet if wont have a QA sticker on it when it arives here!!!!!!
Id say with only 80% odd of growers committed to grow next year, coupled with a producer who is short and with the prospects of no deal and corona making it harder and more exensive to import goods into the uk, If there was ever a time that our reresentative had a strong hand to play itll be now but i guess knowing how weak they are theyll be more likely to take a price cut to help BS throught these difficult times!!!!
- Location
- Essex
Walking my beet at the weekend I wonder whether Cercospera has played quite a part in low sugars. All the older leaves have died and the beet have a rosette of small young leaves coming again. This will have caused a drop in sugars. I used two fungicides but the actives would not have touched cercospera.
I agree and said similar earlier on here. I want to know what actives are used on the continent. Apparently epoxiconazole was the best legal option here but we have lost that
- Location
- West Suffolk
BBRO going on about beet spoil heaps, left over roots/tops etc for virus carry over, is there any risk from WW fields that have direct drilled into ex beet land?
Definitely. They need ally or a hormone to take them out ASAP in the spring IMO.
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- the brecks norfolk
While i apreciate that we have to do what we can, the bbro maessage is a little bit like wee weeing into the wind when you consider the whole list of plants which are hosts to myzus and also some of those plants can carry the virus aswell.
davidroberts30
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- pembrokeshire
ive watched this thread for a while
i only grow a few acres of fodder beet for my own use
cercospora hammered my crop late on,it was sprayed late with escalta but i dont think it really covers it
same as yours mine regrew enough to top lift
im down to 20ish ton to the acre this year from 30 last year
be interesting to see if theres anything that can be used to cover cercospora
Mixedupfarmer
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- Norfolk
And AD beet left until the following late Spring
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- the brecks norfolk
I did think of that it makes me cringe when i see AD beet still in the ground in late aprilAnd AD beet left until the following late Spring
Mixedupfarmer
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- Norfolk
Makes other attempts on farm hygiene against aphids largely pointless when there is an over wintered beet crop nearby.
I’ve got that to look forward to.....
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- Suffolk
I havn't yet heard any news on emergency authorisations... I was last told that Germains needed to begin production mid december and work round the clock. Is it now too late for 2021?
It's not pointless - every bit helps. More sources of disease = more problems
- Location
- the brecks norfolk
Fields man told me the other day they were still hopefull of getting the derogation and there was still plenty of time as they could process the whole of 2021 seed in a month.
- Location
- Breckland
That's because they've only got two thirds of the seed to do.
dont do it.Am giving it one more year
dirt tares are never fair well they wernt when we grew beet. with bsc its all one way its all about taking of you, how about paying haulage on adjusted tonnes ? they wouldnt like that would they. as an ex grower & cynic just playing devils advocet here. because they will never call the tune here again.