Ben Taylor-Davies black grass talk

[jack6480]

I can’t help but think that relying on any chemical is not the way to go if you have bad blackgrass or brome, isnt it the chemicals fault you have such bad problems with brome and black grass?

 

[SilliamWhale]

I can’t help but think that relying on any chemical is not the way to go if you have bad blackgrass or brome, isnt it the chemicals fault you have such bad problems with brome and black grass?

I wouldn't say you can't rely on any chemicals because they clearly do a good job and chemicals have killed a lot of weeds for us over the years. No it is not the chemicals fault there are weed problems.

 

[shakerator]

I wouldn't say you can't rely on any chemicals because they clearly do a good job and chemicals have killed a lot of weeds for us over the years. No it is not the chemicals fault there are weed problems.

It’s the chemicals fault they are resistant to said chemical !

Also chemicals make it possible to “push” another crop in which wouldn’t be feasible from cultural controls alone

 

[Feldspar]

I can’t help but think that relying on any chemical is not the way to go if you have bad blackgrass or brome, isnt it the chemicals fault you have such bad problems with brome and black grass?

The fault in this particular case was my mistake in deep cultivating land which was fallow last year bringing viable seeds to the surface. I am getting more and more worried about brome. It seems to get through pre-ems much more happily than black-grass. Yes, there's still contacts with no resistance, but that was the case for black-grass and Atlantis once upon a time. It also seems to love direct drilling and pops up in unexpected places. Worried we may have to blanket spray for it this year because unless you crawl over every square metre of field it's so easy to miss the odd plant. Did some rogueing last year for the first time and have a lot more fallow coming into the rotation so have some plan.

 

[fudge]

No one thing is to blame, it’s an economic problem.

 

[Hindsight]

The fault in this particular case was my mistake in deep cultivating land which was fallow last year bringing viable seeds to the surface. I am getting more and more worried about brome. It seems to get through pre-ems much more happily than black-grass. Yes, there's still contacts with no resistance, but that was the case for black-grass and Atlantis once upon a time. It also seems to love direct drilling and pops up in unexpected places. Worried we may have to blanket spray for it this year because unless you crawl over every square metre of field it's so easy to miss the odd plant. Did some rogueing last year for the first time and have a lot more fallow coming into the rotation so have some plan.

Which Brome species? Meadow Brome is becoming more prevalent in my area - spring germinating and as we know long use spring applied Atlantis as routine it is steadily gaining a foothold. Hey ho.

 

[shakerator]

The fault in this particular case was my mistake in deep cultivating land which was fallow last year bringing viable seeds to the surface. I am getting more and more worried about brome. It seems to get through pre-ems much more happily than black-grass. Yes, there's still contacts with no resistance, but that was the case for black-grass and Atlantis once upon a time. It also seems to love direct drilling and pops up in unexpected places. Worried we may have to blanket spray for it this year because unless you crawl over every square metre of field it's so easy to miss the odd plant. Did some rogueing last year for the first time and have a lot more fallow coming into the rotation so have some plan.

Shame we lost CTU/ IPU at sensible rates

 

[Farmer.sa]

The fault in this particular case was my mistake in deep cultivating land which was fallow last year bringing viable seeds to the surface. I am getting more and more worried about brome. It seems to get through pre-ems much more happily than black-grass. Yes, there's still contacts with no resistance, but that was the case for black-grass and Atlantis once upon a time. It also seems to love direct drilling and pops up in unexpected places. Worried we may have to blanket spray for it this year because unless you crawl over every square metre of field it's so easy to miss the odd plant. Did some rogueing last year for the first time and have a lot more fallow coming into the rotation so have some plan.

Have you used any avadex as part of your pre-ems? We have found that in a direct drill situation avadex has worked brilliant along side other popular pre-ems

 

[SilliamWhale]

It’s the chemicals fault they are resistant to said chemical !

Also chemicals make it possible to “push” another crop in which wouldn’t be feasible from cultural controls alone

Thats not the chemicals fault.

 

[SilliamWhale]

No one thing is to blame, it’s an economic problem.

Economic problem?

 

[SilliamWhale]

The fault in this particular case was my mistake in deep cultivating land which was fallow last year bringing viable seeds to the surface. I am getting more and more worried about brome. It seems to get through pre-ems much more happily than black-grass. Yes, there's still contacts with no resistance, but that was the case for black-grass and Atlantis once upon a time. It also seems to love direct drilling and pops up in unexpected places. Worried we may have to blanket spray for it this year because unless you crawl over every square metre of field it's so easy to miss the odd plant. Did some rogueing last year for the first time and have a lot more fallow coming into the rotation so have some plan.

What was the drilling date?

 

[Flat 10]

Monolith contains an ingredient from Monitor which was a brome herbicide?

 

[Feldspar]

What was the drilling date?

Need to check. About 10th Oct.

 

[jack6480]

Economic problem?

Wheat rape wheat rape wheat rape

 

[jack6480]

The fault in this particular case was my mistake in deep cultivating land which was fallow last year bringing viable seeds to the surface. I am getting more and more worried about brome. It seems to get through pre-ems much more happily than black-grass. Yes, there's still contacts with no resistance, but that was the case for black-grass and Atlantis once upon a time. It also seems to love direct drilling and pops up in unexpected places. Worried we may have to blanket spray for it this year because unless you crawl over every square metre of field it's so easy to miss the odd plant. Did some rogueing last year for the first time and have a lot more fallow coming into the rotation so have some plan.

Could you not grass it down instead of fallow ? And try and work with the brome not against it?

 

[Brisel]

Brome loves DD. I've always grown it well & it's probably a bigger weed than blackgrass around here on the chalk downs. For decent cultural controls you need to identify which species you have so you can target it accordingly - in the past you've talked about sterile & meadow bromes @Feldspar Avadex isn't particularly strong on it but would help as part of a sequence. Spring cropping is your main tool here. Consider a crop of turnips grazed by wooly lice. That has worked well here.

Monolith contains an ingredient from Monitor which was a brome herbicide?

Monitor is sulfosulfuron. Monolith contains propoxycarbazone sodium which was in Attribut. One or both of these was as persistent as a dose of the clap, though the following crops on the labels are less restrictive now.

 

[fudge]

Economic problem?

Everyone knows what to do but it costs too much. Looking at the evidence above 10 oct. is an early drilling date for grassy land yet delaying is potentially costly. Moving away from autumn only rotations is costly.

 

[Feldspar]

Could you not grass it down instead of fallow ? And try and work with the brome not against it?

Too late now. Fallow will be part of agreed Mid Tier scheme.

 

[shakerator]

Brome would not influence my drilling date

No issue in crop

 

[shakerator]

No one thing is to blame, it’s an economic problem.

Indeed

Largely a fixed cost one .

Been saying for years the issue is winter crops give higher turnover for buffering bloated overheads . Gross margins are a waste of analytical energy on many farms against this elephant in the room