Big increase in FA subs

[Clive]

I took it that Clive meant there are 250 - 280,000 "visits" to the TFF website each month, if so then there are 480,000 "visits" to the FW mags each month. However, Clive has now said there are 250 - 280,000 "unique visitors" to the site which means there are nearly 280,000 different people visiting the site each month, I'm not sure that's correct but possibly is.

The total visit number is obviously MUCH higher than the unique visits number, (which is correct / independently verified) some of those uniques will make multiple visits every day to total about 70,000 actual visits per day which is near 2.2 million visits a month!


It's a serious load that's not easy to cope with at peak and the TFF AWS server solution is massive and complex ( =expensive !) as a result

 

[Chris F]

I took it that Clive meant there are 250 - 280,000 "visits" to the TFF website each month, if so then there are 480,000 "visits" to the FW mags each month. However, Clive has now said there are 250 - 280,000 "unique visitors" to the site which means there are nearly 280,000 different people visiting the site each month, I'm not sure that's correct but possibly is.

Visits is a very odd stat. Never understood it’s relevance. Average read for us is about 5 pages per visit. We do about 1.5 million visits a month.
We have around 260k farmers visit us each month and around 30-35k trade and associated.

best estimates say about 160k Uk farmers read TFF. Bit of guesswork in that though. And some will only pop in and out and it’s not the same 160k every month.

Regarding the 3 people read every magazine. The stat is 1.2 for our magazine. Which is considered a good read. Plus some will never be read at all.

not sure why it’s being discussed in this thread but FW readership is probably around 38k now.

 

[egbert]

Visits is a very odd stat. Never understood it’s relevance. Average read for us is about 5 pages per visit. We do about 1.5 million visits a month.
We have around 260k farmers visit us each month and around 30-35k trade and associated.

best estimates say about 160k Uk farmers read TFF. Bit of guesswork in that though. And some will only pop in and out and it’s not the same 160k every month.

Regarding the 3 people read every magazine. The stat is 1.2 for our magazine. Which is considered a good read. Plus some will never be read at all.

not sure why it’s being discussed in this thread but FW readership is probably around 38k now.

really? 160k separate UK 'farmers' look at this forum each month?
well, good on you if you can say it with a straight face pal.....cos I don't believe that for a second.

 

[Guy Smith]

I could only count about 50 contributors to this thread.

Not quite sure where the other 159,950 are.

 

[ajcc]

I could only count about 50 contributors to this thread.

Of the 50 you counted 45 of them didn’t have a good word for red tractor/NFU setup. Yes 90% regard it as not fit for purpose. Since were talking statistics.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Visits is a very odd stat. Never understood it’s relevance. Average read for us is about 5 pages per visit. We do about 1.5 million visits a month.
We have around 260k farmers visit us each month and around 30-35k trade and associated.

best estimates say about 160k Uk farmers read TFF. Bit of guesswork in that though. And some will only pop in and out and it’s not the same 160k every month.

Regarding the 3 people read every magazine. The stat is 1.2 for our magazine. Which is considered a good read. Plus some will never be read at all.

not sure why it’s being discussed in this thread but FW readership is probably around 38k now.

I was forced to buythe FW last Sun .... I popped in to shop to get the WDP and did my usual thing and pick up the FW and read Charlie Flindt and then put it back but it was the last copy and someone else came in for it so I had to buy it .....what a load of tosh!
Was beginning to wonder if it was written by RT and NFU !
TFF For me every time ......and you will be surprised how many outside the farming world look at TFF.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Never mind the TFF readership figures. I'm still waiting for someone from the NFU to explain to me why they should have someone on the RT board, but we can't have some farmer representatives on the board who are voted in by the RT farmer members?

Are the NFU and RT too scared to facilitate this @Guy Smith ? Apologies for tagging you again, I realise you are the only person who sticks their neck out and comes on this forum, but if we don't get answers to difficult questions then it does look like you can't defend the current NFU position.

Saying that you won't discuss certain things on here is a bit of a cop-out.

I also restate my previous question about the legality of UFAS accredited mills having dissimilar contract terms for similar transactions (UK vs non-UK produce). I wonder if you might be able to ask someone from the NFU legal team to have a look at this and then publish your thoughts.

Thank you.

P.S. this isn't meant to be a personal attack on you. I think everyone appreciates that you come on here and that your time isn't limitless.

 

[Norfolk Hill Farmer]

Never mind the TFF readership figures. I'm still waiting for someone from the NFU to explain to me why they should have someone on the RT board, but we can't have some farmer representatives on the board who are voted in by the RT farmer members?

Are the NFU and RT too scared to facilitate this @Guy Smith ? Apologies for tagging you again, I realise you are the only person who sticks their neck out and comes on this forum, but if we don't get answers to difficult questions then it does look like you can't defend the current NFU position.

Saying that you won't discuss certain things on here is a bit of a cop-out.

I also restate my previous question about the legality of UFAS accredited mills having dissimilar contract terms for similar transactions (UK vs non-UK produce). I wonder if you might be able to ask someone from the NFU legal team to have a look at this and then publish your thoughts.

Thank you.

P.S. this isn't meant to be a personal attack on you. I think everyone appreciates that you come on here and that your time isn't limitless.

Agree with all of this ^^^ and thank you to Guy @Guy Smith for coming on this thread. Unless I've missed something, he hasn't given a defence of RT and FA.
Would he be able to do this please ?

 

[acorn]

.......if wla is implemented the nfu will have my resignation immediately.
Acorn

 

[Henarar]

.......if wla is implemented the nfu will have my resignation immediately.
Acorn

I suspect your not the only one, that was fully supported by MB last time they tried to bring it in lucky it got kicked in to the long grass, now she is full steam ahead with EID, why does everything she wants cost me money for no gain over how things are now ? is she against me having any money ? perhaps she will answer me when she reads this thread as I am sure she will as her hero has been on it

 

[Grass And Grain]

.......if wla is implemented the nfu will have my resignation immediately.
Acorn

Totally agree. Only reason they haven't done ot is because they are scared.

And the fact that it hasn't been WLA since the beginning of the scheme makes a mockery of the whole thing.

Abbatoirs and supermarkets insisting on FA stock, which may in fact have only been FA for the last 3 months. That is complete nonsense and proves that FA has been a complete waste of time and a con for the consumer.

Last I heard, RT wanted WLA for beef but not lamb in the first instance. Complete joke of a scheme that I'm sure adds nothing tp the bottom line for farmers, but is an excuse to pay less for stock that are not FA.

Protection racket, and its high time something was done about it.

 

[egbert]

I only signed up because there were no longer outlets within a reasonable travel distance for my retired suckler cows.
And while I haven't put any in lately, i understand I won't be overwhelmed when I do.
So i'm back where I started, but still have inspections.

 

[JMM]

Got this text yesterday - I’ll pay the fecking bill on the day it’s due - not 9 days before. Stuff like this really boils my p1ss

 

[Northeastfarmer]

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Got this text yesterday - I’ll pay the fecking bill on the day it’s due - not 9 days before. Stuff like this really boils my p1ss

And mine

 

[snarling bee]

The total visit number is obviously MUCH higher than the unique visits number, (which is correct / independently verified) some of those uniques will make multiple visits every day to total about 70,000 actual visits per day which is near 2.2 million visits a month!


It's a serious load that's not easy to cope with at peak and the TFF AWS server solution is massive and complex ( =expensive !) as a result

A quick google and there are 212,000 agricultural holdings in the UK, and 138,000 farmers.
Most of the visits to TFF are presumably not by farmers then.
I like to think that I have a reasonable size farming friendship group, and very few have ever said to me that they are on the forum. Perhaps Bedfordshire does not have the highest concentration of members.

 

[Clive]

A quick google and there are 212,000 agricultural holdings in the UK.
Most of the visits to TFF are presumably not by farmers then.
I like to think that I have a reasonable size farming friendship group, and very few have ever said to me that they are on the forum. Perhaps Bedfordshire does not have the highest concentration of members.

Farmers, their family, farm managers, ex farmers, farmworkers, ex farmworkers, machinery manufacturers and their employees, agronomists, students, smallholders, people who just live in the countryside etc ............. probably many other groups that are interested in farming, I think its 84% UK / Ireland right now so 16% from other countries as well, NZ, Auz, USA and Europe mostly

480,000 people currently work on farms full and part-time BTW according to official figures

I'm not making the numbers up (and you can verify them independently if you wish !) and if TFF didn't work for its many advertisers I'm pretty sure they wouldn't all keep spending money!


why is this so interesting ? are you doing a feasibility study on setting up a forum?.................................. and why is it that EVERY time a thread that dares question the NFU or Red Tractor happens this is the tiresome route of distraction that @Guy Smith defaults to take! you guys all need to stop falling for his rather obvious political training in NEVER answering a question he is asked, you don't get as far up in the NFU hierarchy as he has without being rather good at that!

 

[Tarw Coch]

A quick google and there are 212,000 agricultural holdings in the UK, and 138,000 farmers.
Most of the visits to TFF are presumably not by farmers then.
I like to think that I have a reasonable size farming friendship group, and very few have ever said to me that they are on the forum. Perhaps Bedfordshire does not have the highest concentration of members.

Likewise, there are only 3 members on this forum who I know for sure who they are, the nearest being about 10 miles away, there is another who has given away that his location and is about half that distance but I don’t know his identity.
I have done the odd bit of fishing by dropping the farming forum in conversations but have never had a bite apart from the one in the bogs at the farmers ball one night but I knew who he was even if he didn’t know me at the time.?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

There is a lot of members that never post , when someome starts a real names forum it will blow this one out of the water

 

[snarling bee]

Farmers, their family, farm managers, ex farmers, farmworkers, ex farmworkers, machinery manufacturers and their employees, agronomists, students, smallholders, people who just live in the countryside etc ............. probably many other groups that are interested in farming, I think its 84% UK / Ireland right now so 16% from other countries as well, NZ, Auz, USA and Europe mostly

480,000 people currently work on farms full and part-time BTW according to official figures

I'm not making the numbers up (and you can verify them independently if you wish !) and if TFF didn't work for its many advertisers I'm pretty sure they wouldn't all keep spending money!


why is this so interesting ? are you doing a feasibility study on setting up a forum?.................................. and why is it that EVERY time a thread that dares question the NFU or Red Tractor happens this is the tiresome route of distraction that @Guy Smith defaults to take! you guys all need to stop falling for his rather obvious political training in NEVER answering a question he is asked, you don't get as far up in the NFU hierarchy as he has without being rather good at that!

I was not for a minute disbelieving your figures, but having googled the number I thought I would share it.
I'm not sure what your last paragraph has to do with my post. I think this is my first post on this thread. Like many threads this one has gone off topic.

As you remember I have a position within the NFU. But whether I comment on this thread is my choice, but if I did I would no doubt get soundly shouted down, so why would I bother.
The NFU is far more than Red Tractor/assurance, whatever one's views.

 

[snarling bee]

Its amazing how often you google a farming topic and get a result from TFF. There will be a lot of visitors to the site via that route.