Biogas = Big money?

[kiwi pom]

Stumbled across this whilst on youtube.
It seems like moneys no object when chopping a bit of grass. I'm no fashion expert but I think the trailer monkey might have been wearing a schoffel too?
There must be serious money to be made if someone's ok with financing that lot?

The clip says "working for a greener future" What's environmentally friendly about using all that ground and all that gear to make gas?

 

[franklin]

Give it a couple of years until enough are signed up, then government will introduce some kind of levy or tax on them to get back all the support they get.

 

[kiwi pom]

Give it a couple of years until enough are signed up, then government will introduce some kind of levy or tax on them to get back all the support they get.

I know its a dirty word but does that mean they get a subsidy on top of the one they get for just owning the land?

 

[digger64]

I know its a dGermany y word but does that mean they get a subsidy on top of the one they get for just owning the land?

Yes and more , but rumour has it they are not doing so much in Germany where it all started as it don't add up any more - personally I wondered if would be greener and more efficient to run the generator engines straight off the red deisal bowser or a pto shaft on a couple of big fend T's perhaps

 

[A1an]

Give it a couple of years until enough are signed up, then government will introduce some kind of levy or tax on them to get back all the support they get.

Already happening in Scotland

 

[ollie989898]

It doesn't add up. Biogas was all the rage in Europe, particularly in the East, near every sizeable every farm in parts of the East had biogas plants installed; due to juicy EU grants.

In the UK we need to get into waste to energy in a big way. We are landfilling millions of tonnes of waste and could generate 10GW just from burning that.

 

[franklin]

They hate burning. My local town built an incinerator for burning waste and the heat warmed a swimming pool....all shut now and rubbish piled into a stinking heap. Sigh.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Give it a couple of years until enough are signed up, then government will introduce some kind of levy or tax on them to get back all the support they get.

Local skip company, Claydon Skips, has just been wound up, as the directors made a really poor investment into a biogas facility - it was supposed to tie in with their recycling business but they messed it up badly. They claim the goalposts were moved on them by the govt, other folks reckon they simply messed up the qualifying criteria.

Whichever way it went, a good long standing business now down the pan and a dozen or more employees find themselves made redundant because of a foolhardy investment that was supposedly a sure thing.

 

[Turra farmer]

Local skip company, Claydon Skips, has just been wound up, as the directors made a really poor investment into a biogas facility - it was supposed to tie in with their recycling business but they messed it up badly. They claim the goalposts were moved on them by the govt, other folks reckon they simply messed up the qualifying criteria.

Whichever way it went, a good long standing business now down the pan and a dozen or more employees find themselves made redundant because of a foolhardy investment that was supposedly a sure thing.

Were they recycling food , ? Or what , some of general recycling guys up here seem to have biomass boilers to produce heat ,

 

[graham99]

Stumbled across this whilst on youtube.
It seems like moneys no object when chopping a bit of grass. I'm no fashion expert but I think the trailer monkey might have been wearing a schoffel too?
There must be serious money to be made if someone's ok with financing that lot?

The clip says "working for a greener future" What's environmentally friendly about using all that ground and all that gear to make gas?

well they would have gone cap in hand to the gove ,and the gove would have said their mite be a vote to be had so hand ed out some tax payer dollars to big business to buy what they wanted .
everyone wins and they have someone else to blame.
in the last week in kiwi land, we had to business go to our govt and ask for money, after saying how well they were doing

 

[sjt01]

Yes and more , but rumour has it they are not doing so much in Germany where it all started as it don't add up any more - personally I wondered if would be greener and more efficient to run the generator engines straight off the red deisal bowser or a pto shaft on a couple of big fend T's perhaps

If we replaced our biogas with a diesel genset, we would use 6 times as much diesel as we use to run the whole farm. And with the AD, we get all our heating - grain drying, dairy hot water, cheese making hot water, and heating for workshop, house, office & 3 farm cottages.

 

[wilber]

If we replaced our biogas with a diesel genset, we would use 6 times as much diesel as we use to run the whole farm. And with the AD, we get all our heating - grain drying, dairy hot water, cheese making hot water, and heating for workshop, house, office & 3 farm cottages.

Some people are just a bit twp (or willfully act that way when it comes to renewables ) and cant get their heads around it. A Diesel tanker doesnt use all its diesel bringing the fuel to the yard.

 

[Clive]

Give it a couple of years until enough are signed up, then government will introduce some kind of levy or tax on them to get back all the support they get.

Without doubt

No one wins when your playing against the guys that make the rules

 

[digger64]

If we replaced our biogas with a diesel genset, we would use 6 times as much diesel as we use to run the whole farm. And with the AD, we get all our heating - grain drying, dairy hot water, cheese making hot water, and heating for workshop, house, office & 3 farm cottages.

But do you grow wet crops chop and haul them 20 miles to do it ? Then haul the water back out again 20 miles ?

 

[sjt01]

But do you grow wet crops chop and haul them 20 miles to do it ? Then haul the water back out again 20 miles ?

We bring maize on average 1.5 miles. Digestate is pumped by electric pump through our underground irrigation main 1.5 miles to a field lagoon, where we tanker it a maximum of 1/2 mile

 

[steveR]

We bring maize on average 1.5 miles. Digestate is pumped by electric pump through our underground irrigation main 1.5 miles to a field lagoon, where we tanker it a maximum of 1/2 mile

A tad better than one large outfit I know of who haul maize silage in big trailers, 25-30 miles to the digester. Not a clue what happens to the digestate, maybe they backload it... ;-)

 

[Turra farmer]

A tad better than one large outfit I know of who haul maize silage in big trailers, 25-30 miles to the digester. Not a clue what happens to the digestate, maybe they backload it... ;-)

Usually if u supply to ad plant you have to take digestate back and spread on land , some massive plants up here ,

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Were they recycling food , ? Or what , some of general recycling guys up here seem to have biomass boilers to produce heat ,

I don’t know. No doubt there’s more to the story, but that’s the line that’s been trotted out to the employees getting the chop and customers.

 

[Ducati899]

Obviously got money to burn running round with weights on like that

 

[ollie989898]

They hate burning. My local town built an incinerator for burning waste and the heat warmed a swimming pool....all shut now and rubbish piled into a stinking heap. Sigh.

Yes but it's AOK to burn methane in an engine what used process digestion to produce the methane in the first place?

We can't carry on burying waste, it's mental. Burn it and offset the huge volumes of natural gas we are burning instead.