Biomass Suppliers List and Woodsure

Ive just read through the latest BSL newsletter, and it seems to say, that some new RHI legislation coming into effect in April 2021 means that we have to now pay 500 quid to join woodsure. Are there any other options? We only supply ourselves so could drop our Producer/Trader registration and go self supplier, but the details of that are not yet published, as far as Woodsure is concerned.
 

renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
Ive just read through the latest BSL newsletter, and it seems to say, that some new RHI legislation coming into effect in April 2021 means that we have to now pay 500 quid to join woodsure. Are there any other options? We only supply ourselves so could drop our Producer/Trader registration and go self supplier, but the details of that are not yet published, as far as Woodsure is concerned.
Dont believe a word woodsure say. They have been telling numerous tales which are not true and abusing their position of power as the nominated company appointed by Defra. Its not coming into effect in April 2021 its already with us and a lot of people have looked at the actual legislation and stuck two fingers upto Woodsure including myself. I dont know your actual circumstances so cannot advise but it sounds like your heading down the right path like many others.
 
Dont believe a word woodsure say. They have been telling numerous tales which are not true and abusing their position of power as the nominated company appointed by Defra. Its not coming into effect in April 2021 its already with us and a lot of people have looked at the actual legislation and stuck two fingers upto Woodsure including myself. I dont know your actual circumstances so cannot advise but it sounds like your heading down the right path like many others.
Ive been trawling through a load of blurb about this. Im pretty sure we could self declare our GHG per tonne.

I got worried by a barrage of " change your G59 relay" messages that we were bombarded with, turns out not everyone has one, but we had to spend the time to find out. Currently we are anxting about recalibrating heat meters, probably not possible, so bin them and fit new. That could be a few hours of admin!
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
Ive been trawling through a load of blurb about this. Im pretty sure we could self declare our GHG per tonne.

I got worried by a barrage of " change your G59 relay" messages that we were bombarded with, turns out not everyone has one, but we had to spend the time to find out. Currently we are anxting about recalibrating heat meters, probably not possible, so bin them and fit new. That could be a few hours of admin!
I would suggest asking on the Arbtalk site as others on their will be in a similar position. I kicked the bull sh!t list into touch right at the start. Really pleased I did as others have said it has been nothing but hassle with no increase in sales.
 

rollestonpark

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Burton on trent
New rules:
Sounds like if you dry any wood which you then sell or burn yourself (and are claiming RHI), you need to be woodsure approved. (pay £500/year and have annual audits etc etc) Oh joy.
If you collect any wood from around your farm and burn, you will need to be woodsure approved.

If you do all your own servicing on Boiler/CHP (as I do) you will need to be HEATAS approved also. Unless you have at least 1 annual service from a HEATAS approved agent.
Sounds like payments will be stopped from 1st April (2022) if you don't meet these requirements.

If you are approved to burn waste wood (with some other suppliers BSL number then you don't need woodsure)
If you have any BSL numbers of your own registered for virgin timber chippings etc, then you'll have to be woodsure approved.

Anyone else confirm this situation?
 

wilber

Member
Location
wales
New rules:
Sounds like if you dry any wood which you then sell or burn yourself (and are claiming RHI), you need to be woodsure approved. (pay £500/year and have annual audits etc etc) Oh joy.
If you collect any wood from around your farm and burn, you will need to be woodsure approved.

If you do all your own servicing on Boiler/CHP (as I do) you will need to be HEATAS approved also. Unless you have at least 1 annual service from a HEATAS approved agent.
Sounds like payments will be stopped from 1st April (2022) if you don't meet these requirements.

If you are approved to burn waste wood (with some other suppliers BSL number then you don't need woodsure)
If you have any BSL numbers of your own registered for virgin timber chippings etc, then you'll have to be woodsure approved.

Anyone else confirm this situation?

I have asked for confimation. as i read it, if you are a BSL self supplier then the commercial aspect of woodsure is not relevant, however they will be adding something and details will be made available in the new year. If you are down as a trader or producer trader then the commercial side of woodsure does apply, which is daft. We had to set ourselves up as a producer trader as we buy timber in then process for our own use, that we now apparently have to join woodsure seems utterly daft as we dont sell firewood. As stated above it seems a compulsory RT style scheme.
 

NFI

Member
Livestock Farmer
New rules:
Sounds like if you dry any wood which you then sell or burn yourself (and are claiming RHI), you need to be woodsure approved. (pay £500/year and have annual audits etc etc) Oh joy.
If you collect any wood from around your farm and burn, you will need to be woodsure approved.

If you do all your own servicing on Boiler/CHP (as I do) you will need to be HEATAS approved also. Unless you have at least 1 annual service from a HEATAS approved agent.
Sounds like payments will be stopped from 1st April (2022) if you don't meet these requirements.

If you are approved to burn waste wood (with some other suppliers BSL number then you don't need woodsure)
If you have any BSL numbers of your own registered for virgin timber chippings etc, then you'll have to be woodsure approved.

Anyone else confirm this situation?

Great.
Another high hoop we have to jump through..
 

rollestonpark

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Burton on trent
Crazy thing is, it nearly doubles the cost of my 50 tonnes of chip. Im hoping there will be some amelioration for us that don't sell chip, but currently using the arbwaste that gets dropped off here would disqualify me as a self supplier.
If your only using about 50 ton of chip and claiming RHI:
It'll eventually get to the point that all the hassle and rules/audits, it won't be worth claiming.

If your a smaller user and you stop claiming you'll be free to burn what you want and save money on fuel and audits.
 
If your only using about 50 ton of chip and claiming RHI:
It'll eventually get to the point that all the hassle and rules/audits, it won't be worth claiming.

If your a smaller user and you stop claiming you'll be free to burn what you want and save money on fuel and audits.
not far off!

Im thinking of chipping a whole load extra under my current bsl reg, if I did 100t before April 1st would save me a grand.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
Were are you getting this information from. Please post up as if it has come from Hetas or Woodsure it is probably incorrect. Remember Woodsure is actually part of Hetas.
 

I have just clipped this off the Woodsure website.

BSL Fuel Quality Requirements for Self-Suppliers​

Fuel Quality is coming to the BSL​

This guidance is specifically for self-suppliers on the Biomass Suppliers List.
Click here for guidance for commercial suppliers.

Early in 2021 legislation was introduced that made a number of changes to the Renewable Heat Incentive. The changes to the RHI which impact upon accredited Biomass Suppliers List (BSL) fuel suppliers come into effect on the 1st April 2022.
bsl-logo-green-300x100.jpg

The legislation places requirements on both self-suppliers AND commercial suppliers (Producers, Traders and Producer-Traders). All suppliers should take action now to ensure they can comply with the legislative requirements by the 1st April 2022 implementation date.

Revisions to the Regulations​

The Domestic Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme and Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme (Amendment) Regulations 2021were laid before Parliament on the 25th January 2021. The legislative changes for BSL authorised fuel suppliers are identified in Schedule 4A.
In order to meet fuel quality standard EN 15234-1: 2011, ISO 9001: 2015 or EN ISO 17225-4: 2014 or an equivalent standard, suppliers must be certified by the Woodsure Certification Scheme or an equivalent certification scheme as meeting the standard in paragraph 2 or 3. For pellets, they must meet the ENplus A1 standard or an equivalent standard.
This addition to the RHI regulation requires anyone with BSL authorised fuels to now take action in order to comply ahead of the 1st April 2022 requirements or fuels will be delisted from the BSL.

Getting Certified – Self Suppliers​

Woodsure will be publishing it’s bespoke route for self suppliers to produce a quality manual and application process early in 2022. Self- suppliers will be provided with an affordable route to demonstrate compliance with the legislative requirement. Domestic self-suppliers may be subject to random fuel sample analysis, non-domestic self-suppliers will require an annual fuel sample test.
The BSL Administrators will be contacting all self-suppliers early in 2022 with detailed guidance on how to comply with the forthcoming legislative requirements.
Evidence of meeting the requirements via an equivalent standard or certification scheme should be submitted to [email protected]. The BSL Administrators are not responsible for assessing suitability of equivalent standards or schemes.
Guidance on compliance for commercial suppliers is now in place.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs

I have just clipped this off the Woodsure website.

BSL Fuel Quality Requirements for Self-Suppliers​

Fuel Quality is coming to the BSL​

This guidance is specifically for self-suppliers on the Biomass Suppliers List.
Click here for guidance for commercial suppliers.

Early in 2021 legislation was introduced that made a number of changes to the Renewable Heat Incentive. The changes to the RHI which impact upon accredited Biomass Suppliers List (BSL) fuel suppliers come into effect on the 1st April 2022.
bsl-logo-green-300x100.jpg

The legislation places requirements on both self-suppliers AND commercial suppliers (Producers, Traders and Producer-Traders). All suppliers should take action now to ensure they can comply with the legislative requirements by the 1st April 2022 implementation date.

Revisions to the Regulations​

The Domestic Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme and Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme (Amendment) Regulations 2021were laid before Parliament on the 25th January 2021. The legislative changes for BSL authorised fuel suppliers are identified in Schedule 4A.
In order to meet fuel quality standard EN 15234-1: 2011, ISO 9001: 2015 or EN ISO 17225-4: 2014 or an equivalent standard, suppliers must be certified by the Woodsure Certification Scheme or an equivalent certification scheme as meeting the standard in paragraph 2 or 3. For pellets, they must meet the ENplus A1 standard or an equivalent standard.
This addition to the RHI regulation requires anyone with BSL authorised fuels to now take action in order to comply ahead of the 1st April 2022 requirements or fuels will be delisted from the BSL.

Getting Certified – Self Suppliers​

Woodsure will be publishing it’s bespoke route for self suppliers to produce a quality manual and application process early in 2022. Self- suppliers will be provided with an affordable route to demonstrate compliance with the legislative requirement. Domestic self-suppliers may be subject to random fuel sample analysis, non-domestic self-suppliers will require an annual fuel sample test.
The BSL Administrators will be contacting all self-suppliers early in 2022 with detailed guidance on how to comply with the forthcoming legislative requirements.
Evidence of meeting the requirements via an equivalent standard or certification scheme should be submitted to [email protected]. The BSL Administrators are not responsible for assessing suitability of equivalent standards or schemes.
Guidance on compliance for commercial suppliers is now in place.
As I said woodsure telling porkie pies the relevant bit is click on schedule 4a where there is an alternative to woodsure but they dont admit it. But to be honest you have been screwed by Defra in respect of RHI. It seemed a good idea at the time but paying people to burn wood is no longer P.C. therefore lets get rid of all the RHi contracts as quickly as possible by making them worthless. IE increase the cost of compliance to more than the RHI is worth. Just another example of Defra changing the rules after the contract has been signed and there is F.all you can do about it.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
I only produce about 10 t of chip a year for my own use, so a £500 fee would be outrageous. Are any small producers out there interested in setting up a small scale certification scheme? I think woodsure needs some competition. If enough of us got together we could go it alone. Wouldnt even mind going down a legal challenge route.
Think it will end up like the log trade. A black market will evolve for supply of chip for those without RHI boilers.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
I only produce about 10 t of chip a year for my own use, so a £500 fee would be outrageous. Are any small producers out there interested in setting up a small scale certification scheme? I think woodsure needs some competition. If enough of us got together we could go it alone. Wouldnt even mind going down a legal challenge route.
Are you in the RHI scheme for your boiler if not then just tell BSL you no longer want to be part of their Bull sh!t List. If you do get RHI is it more than the fees you will incur. If so look at your agreement and see if there is anyway to get out of the agreement. The only point about BSL was to supply RHI boilers. I had so few customers with RHI that I told BSL right at the start where they could stick their scheme. I have even got some of the RHI customers back as there 7 year schemes have now ended.
 

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