Bionature fertilisers

[cricketandcrops]

Very high attention to detail is what he has. Which is what I have always said, doesn’t matter what cultivation (or not as the case may be) strategy you have, the thing that sets farms apart is attention to detail. Round here there are plenty achieving consistently high yields but all with very different cultivation strategies. There are also plenty at the other end of the scale who don’t get consistently high yields, some of that is land type, most is because the RAF technique is employed too often because they are always too late with key operations.

 

[ajd132]

Very high attention to detail is what he has. Which is what I have always said, doesn’t matter what cultivation (or not as the case may be) strategy you have, the thing that sets farms apart is attention to detail. Round here there are plenty achieving consistently high yields but all with very different cultivation strategies. There are also plenty at the other end of the scale who don’t get consistently high yields, some of that is land type, most is because the RAF technique is employed too often because they are always too late with key operations.

Exactly I highly doubt his success is down the use of bio nature products

 

[AT Aloss]

Very high attention to detail is what he has. Which is what I have always said, doesn’t matter what cultivation (or not as the case may be) strategy you have, the thing that sets farms apart is attention to detail. Round here there are plenty achieving consistently high yields but all with very different cultivation strategies. There are also plenty at the other end of the scale who don’t get consistently high yields, some of that is land type, most is because the RAF technique is employed too often because they are always too late with key operations.

What @cricketandcrops has said is correct. A combination of attention to detail, timeliness on shallow free draining soils which won't stand frequent ploughing, with a strategy to build organic matter, and timeliness of frequent passes feeding nutrition to the crop. Continued trials with alternative products, timings & strategies bring results, but not record breaking results, and record breaking is about evaluating learnings into the yield potential of crops.

Research into wheat being vertically farmed suggest the yield potential is 200-600 times higher than the 20 tonnes/hectare frequently quoted when optimal population, moisture, temperature, humidity & light interception conditions are met, with disease and pests managed in a controlled environment. It also would require wheat to be valued at around $500/tonne before is was economically viable to vertically farm it, but like all this research it seeks out the potential of the crop.

Vertical farming of wheat: up to 600 times greater yield

A new study finds that wheat grown using a 10-layer, indoor vertical farm could have a yield between 220 and 600 times greater than current farming methods.

www.futuretimeline.net

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[Brisel]

Exactly I highly doubt his success is down the use of bio nature products

Perhaps the Bionature programme gives marginal gains. His excellent husbandry minimises the other constraints that limit yield potential and allows the extra inputs to show up.

I'm still struggling with the basics!

 

[N.Yorks.]

When you average 16t/ha across a field, you really, really don't need to worry about your input costs making a dent in your gross margin. That yield is about £1600/ha more wheat than I would grow here. I'm not sure he'd be worrying about whether to spend £15 on a T0.

Think the average yield was 15.38 t/ha from LG Skyscraper, inputs as below:

• seed rate 175kg/ha on 24th Sept into Grade 2 Chalky Loam
• Sept to mid Nov: 3 applications of foliar nutrient, 1 of insecticide, 1 of herbicide
• 360 kgN/ha in 'several' (can't be specific) applications Feb to May
• Seed treatment Redigo Deter +GPA +FC
• T0 – Cherokee + Modus (50ml) + Chlormequot (1 litre) + Delta K
• T1 – Same as T0 + Growth regulator + Ascara X Pro (1.2litre) + Delta K + 1-4-ALL
• 5 – Folicur (0.5litre) + Cerone (0.5 litre) + Tip Top (2.5 litre) + Magnesium (0.5 litre)
• T2 – Elatus Era (1 litre) + Cerone (0.25 litre) + Tip Top (2.5 litre) + Magnesium (0.5 litre) + Boron (1 litre) + Bravo (1 litre)
• T3 – Folicur (0.25 litre) + Proline (0.55 litre) + Amistar Opti (1 litre) + X-Stress (1 litre) + ToPPit (2 litre) + Calflux (0.5 litre)
• T4 – Folicur (0.5 litre) + X-Stress (1 litre) + ToPPit (3 litre) + Calflux (0.5 litre)

Would love to see the costings!

 

[farenheit]

Research into wheat being vertically farmed suggest the yield potential is 200-600 times higher than the 20 tonnes/hectare

1.2 T/m2??

 

[N.Yorks.]

Exactly I highly doubt his success is down the use of bio nature products

Maybe there should have been an endorsement fee that needs to be incorporated into the gross margin?

 

[N.Yorks.]

1.2 T/m2??

Depends how high you stack the layers.....vertical farming.....

 

[ajd132]

Think the average yield was 15.38 t/ha from LG Skyscraper, inputs as below:

• seed rate 175kg/ha on 24th Sept into Grade 2 Chalky Loam
• Sept to mid Nov: 3 applications of foliar nutrient, 1 of insecticide, 1 of herbicide
• 360 kgN/ha in 'several' (can't be specific) applications Feb to May
• Seed treatment Redigo Deter +GPA +FC
• T0 – Cherokee + Modus (50ml) + Chlormequot (1 litre) + Delta K
• T1 – Same as T0 + Growth regulator + Ascara X Pro (1.2litre) + Delta K + 1-4-ALL
• 5 – Folicur (0.5litre) + Cerone (0.5 litre) + Tip Top (2.5 litre) + Magnesium (0.5 litre)
• T2 – Elatus Era (1 litre) + Cerone (0.25 litre) + Tip Top (2.5 litre) + Magnesium (0.5 litre) + Boron (1 litre) + Bravo (1 litre)
• T3 – Folicur (0.25 litre) + Proline (0.55 litre) + Amistar Opti (1 litre) + X-Stress (1 litre) + ToPPit (2 litre) + Calflux (0.5 litre)
• T4 – Folicur (0.5 litre) + X-Stress (1 litre) + ToPPit (3 litre) + Calflux (0.5 litre)

Would love to see the costings!

360kg/n will not be allowed soon anyway. Personally I’m more interested in the guys on average farms using 130kg n, 20 quid of fungicides, 20 quid of nutrientIon/biology/compost tea, a bit of herbicide, undressed farm saved seed multi variety mixes and no tilling getting 8-10t/ha.

 

[N.Yorks.]

360kg/n will not be allowed soon anyway. Personally I’m more interested in the guys on average farms using 130kg n, 20 quid of fungicides, 20 quid of nutrientIon/biology/compost tea, a bit of herbicide, undressed farm saved seed multi variety mixes and no tilling getting 8-10t/ha.

Couldn't agree more, there's some clever stuff to be done that doesn't involve reaching for a bought solution. As @Brisel said earlier "Sustainable net margin".

And we haven't even touched on 'ecosystem service' values either and how that should be slotted into the calculations.... ah well that's all for 2024 onwards .

 

[SilliamWhale]

Apparently according to Bob Bulmer of Hutchinsons, Tim Lamyman is on very mediocre grade 3 dirt.

Ok fair enough. I suppose the next question then would be can that programme be repeata

Think the average yield was 15.38 t/ha from LG Skyscraper, inputs as below:

• seed rate 175kg/ha on 24th Sept into Grade 2 Chalky Loam
• Sept to mid Nov: 3 applications of foliar nutrient, 1 of insecticide, 1 of herbicide
• 360 kgN/ha in 'several' (can't be specific) applications Feb to May
• Seed treatment Redigo Deter +GPA +FC
• T0 – Cherokee + Modus (50ml) + Chlormequot (1 litre) + Delta K
• T1 – Same as T0 + Growth regulator + Ascara X Pro (1.2litre) + Delta K + 1-4-ALL
• 5 – Folicur (0.5litre) + Cerone (0.5 litre) + Tip Top (2.5 litre) + Magnesium (0.5 litre)
• T2 – Elatus Era (1 litre) + Cerone (0.25 litre) + Tip Top (2.5 litre) + Magnesium (0.5 litre) + Boron (1 litre) + Bravo (1 litre)
• T3 – Folicur (0.25 litre) + Proline (0.55 litre) + Amistar Opti (1 litre) + X-Stress (1 litre) + ToPPit (2 litre) + Calflux (0.5 litre)
• T4 – Folicur (0.5 litre) + X-Stress (1 litre) + ToPPit (3 litre) + Calflux (0.5 litre)

Would love to see the costings!

The other question I would have is:

What is the component of Calflux, Toppit, X Stress, Tip top etc. Obviously I realise the producers of it have a commercial interest in keeping it secret but as a farmer I would also have a commercial interest in wanting to know what I am putting on my crops. Thats also a shitload of N

 

[N.Yorks.]

Ok fair enough. I suppose the next question then would be can that programme be repeata


The other question I would have is:

What is the component of Calflux, Toppit, X Stress, Tip top etc. Obviously I realise the producers of it have a commercial interest in keeping it secret but as a farmer I would also have a commercial interest in wanting to know what I am putting on my crops. Thats also a shitload of N

No, no, no you don't need to know that...... that's what the salesman, sorry agronomist, is for. (apologies to the fair and knowledgeable independant agronomists out there).

 

[SilliamWhale]

360kg/n will not be allowed soon anyway. Personally I’m more interested in the guys on average farms using 130kg n, 20 quid of fungicides, 20 quid of nutrientIon/biology/compost tea, a bit of herbicide, undressed farm saved seed multi variety mixes and no tilling getting 8-10t/ha.

I didn't have a great year this year as too dry but last year I had over 4t acre of second wheat on some fields. Its had a chunk of chicken poo over the years so fertile but far from the best land in the world.

It had no t0, an sdhi at t1, ctl alone at t2, I think it had teb at t3. And about 160 units of urea. And was farm saved seed. On reflection it didn't need the sdhi but at the time I did it.

My point is if the weather aligns and you do have soil full of fertility then you can get big yields for low cost. In fact most of the livestock boys growing a bit of corn know this

 

[SilliamWhale]

No, no, no you don't need to know that...... that's what the salesman, sorry agronomist, is for. (apologies to the fair and knowledgeable independant agronomists out there).

But the point is as a responsible farmer I should need to know it.

 

[N.Yorks.]

But the point is as a responsible farmer I should need to know it.

Agreed, fully transparent about what the benefits are and backed up with proper trials data.

 

[Cordiale]

What @cricketandcrops has said is correct. A combination of attention to detail, timeliness on shallow free draining soils which won't stand frequent ploughing, with a strategy to build organic matter, and timeliness of frequent passes feeding nutrition to the crop. Continued trials with alternative products, timings & strategies bring results, but not record breaking results, and record breaking is about evaluating learnings into the yield potential of crops.

Research into wheat being vertically farmed suggest the yield potential is 200-600 times higher than the 20 tonnes/hectare frequently quoted when optimal population, moisture, temperature, humidity & light interception conditions are met, with disease and pests managed in a controlled environment. It also would require wheat to be valued at around $500/tonne before is was economically viable to vertically farm it, but like all this research it seeks out the potential of the crop.

Vertical farming of wheat: up to 600 times greater yield

A new study finds that wheat grown using a 10-layer, indoor vertical farm could have a yield between 220 and 600 times greater than current farming methods.

www.futuretimeline.net

.

You might get more than stuck in the ditch if you over shoot those field boundaries!!!

 

[ConanPB]

Did some trials with the full Bionature products sequence 2 yrs ago on wheat and rape. Tramline trials in the most even fields we could find to give a fair comparison. , over weigh bridge at harvest.
Definite yield increase in both crops from the bionature sequence. However , after doing the maths we found we were essentially "buying the yield".
We were lucky enough to visit Tim's farm for the day, and as said before he gives a lot of attention to detail.Remember him telling us about struggling to get potash levels high enough in his wheat tissue tests, a problem I think that is hard to solve, but he was adamant it could be done.Think that year he broke the pea yield record at the second attempt after
getting the aphid control bang on.Will never forget his crop of Aspire OSR that year. The pods seemed nearly as thick as your little finger, but stems were nothing out the ordinary, a little spindly even. Suppose the results of lots of Foliar nutrition? Talking to the Bionature guys, think he has spent a great deal of time and effort playing around with different micronutrients and the assessing crops response to them.

 

[Cowcorn]

Getting as much yield for as little input spend as possible is probably the safest option but if you are renting at current rates then land is one of your most expensive costs so maybe a little more effort might be well rewarded .
Over 15 ton ha is no mean feat and in a good price year like this one Tim must be laughing all the way to the bank So next time you think that you need more land or cfas to spread " fixed costs " maybe it would be a better option to see if you can increase output per acre rather than acres . Just saying ..... Of course if every farmer had yields like Tim then the price wouldnt be worth a candle so maybe its just as well the movers and shakers are heading in the opposite direction
Just like Tesco every bit less can only help the price !!

 

[ajd132]

Getting as much yield for as little input spend as possible is probably the safest option but if you are renting at current rates then land is one of your most expensive costs so maybe a little more effort might be well rewarded .
Over 15 ton ha is no mean feat and in a good price year like this one Tim must be laughing all the way to the bank So next time you think that you need more land or cfas to spread " fixed costs " maybe it would be a better option to see if you can increase output per acre rather than acres . Just saying ..... Of course if every farmer had yields like Tim then the price wouldnt be worth a candle so maybe its just as well the movers and shakers are heading in the opposite direction
Just like Tesco every bit less can only help the price !!

I don’t think slinging on 380kgs/n and that ludicrous amount of fungicide and bio nature products is a very good route for many to go down. Maybe buy a nice farm high up in the wolds and manage it well instead!

 

[ajd132]

I do know someone who grows very high yielding crops very well, he tries the full bio nature program and said it did absolutely nothing!