Bison to be reintroduced to Kent woodland

It needs a little sideways thinking.
These people are not totally stupid.
Come up with such a daft scheme, And get mega kudos for shutting off your estate to every Tom, Dick and harry who wants to use their right to roam.
I am seriously thinking about making my Garden a reserve for some seriously endangered species, not sure what yet, any good suggestions!.

Farmers!!!!!
 

ImLost

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Who / how / what will go in and round them up for TB testing ? :oops:
I'm quite happy to, some of my cattle are probably of a similar temperament when it comes to being put through a crush.

I would have to charge danger money though, probably just a percentage of the overall donations made so far... Keep things simple.
 

Gulli

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Location
Somerset
Amazing to think they numbered in their millions until the white eyes pushed west in the 1840s.

Humans have a lot to answer for
(Passenger Pigeons too)
Apparently their numbers where so high because they were 'farmed' by native Americans who then hunted them and killed them in huge numbers.
Then the Europeans turned up with horses and guns and pretty much wiped them out for their skins and to cut off the food supply for the native Americans cos we are such a great bunch ?

No reason not to have them here, I'd happily go gather them up, they are farmed all across america, why not farm them here?
 
quote from the article ...
'Paul Hadaway, of Kent Wildlife Trust said: "A wilder, nature-based solution is the right one to tackling the climate and nature crisis we now face'.

Which says everything about the UK rewilding lobby you need to know.
By fencing a few of these critters into a 1200 acre compound in Kent they pretend they're somehow going undo all of the plant disease problems we're facing? - and if their woodland has got chestnut, ash and oak in it, its in trouble,
they're going undo all the habitat loss under the endless developments to house our growing and ever more demanding species?
and best of all - they do mention climate crisis- they're going to somehow recapture the 350 million year old carbon we're releasing ALL the time?
Their own rangers and fencing contractors will likely be releasing it running round in diesel powered trucks just like yours and mine. Overhead, endless planes full of people will (shortly) be spewing yet more.

It's a fantasy, fostered by wishful thinking idiots who pretend they can save the titanic by re-arranging the deck chairs.
And whilst I couldn't give a tinkers curse what they get up to, they shout how clever they are, and pretend they have the answers,
and that eventually impacts my culture ....which certainly does have some of the answers.
And I do care about that.

What they are vicariously implying is, to my community, a hateful and damaging lie.

I said a few months ago that I'm tired of having the 'discussion' about all this.
I just want to answer with blows from a cudgel with nails sticking out of it.
You're right. I'm all for helping endangered species but four bison is a gimmick. A proper breeding population would be required. 200 Galloways might be a better idea. But who could supply them @egbert??
 

puppet

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Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
The Chillingham cattle (interesting fact - on the state owned by the father in law of Dominic Cummings) are exempt for the simple reason that they have no human interaction at all and can only be viewed from a distance. In essence, they are considered to be wild.
Do they get TB from humans? I think the odd deer and badger may get close to them.
From the other hand, they are not risking human health if they had TB. I presume we do not eat them?

My granny worked as a maid there in her teens
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Beavers have turned out to be rather successful, I understand from several magazine articles.
The TB thing for the Bison is rather a worry, but how do the Wild White cattle herds manage about TB testing?
And I have eaten Bison in the USA, very good.
have they? I'd ask some of the farmers concerned before you say too much.
Our cousins in the North mightn't have the same views as a landed estate down here, or the NT.
(in fact, the whisper is that it's not all that sweet within the trials down here...but money is doing the talking.)
 

Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Do they get TB from humans? I think the odd deer and badger may get close to them.
From the other hand, they are not risking human health if they had TB. I presume we do not eat them?

My granny worked as a maid there in her teens

The cattle are allowed to live and die as they please without any interference.
During FMD the estate were so worried that they started a nucleus herd somewhere secret in the wilds of Scotland
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
The cattle are allowed to live and die as they please without any interference.
During FMD the estate were so worried that they started a nucleus herd somewhere secret in the wilds of Scotland
and a reserve in a tank of nitrogen as well....although collection must've been fun
 

Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Fascinating the wild cattle. Life membership is (or was) £100 and makes an excellent birthday present


Edit: life is now £300 but still makes for a special present and goes to help preserve 800 years of the cattle’s history
 

Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
quote from the article ...
'Paul Hadaway, of Kent Wildlife Trust said: "A wilder, nature-based solution is the right one to tackling the climate and nature crisis we now face'.

Which says everything about the UK rewilding lobby you need to know.
By fencing a few of these critters into a 1200 acre compound in Kent they pretend they're somehow going undo all of the plant disease problems we're facing? - and if their woodland has got chestnut, ash and oak in it, its in trouble,
they're going undo all the habitat loss under the endless developments to house our growing and ever more demanding species?
and best of all - they do mention climate crisis- they're going to somehow recapture the 350 million year old carbon we're releasing ALL the time?
Their own rangers and fencing contractors will likely be releasing it running round in diesel powered trucks just like yours and mine. Overhead, endless planes full of people will (shortly) be spewing yet more.

It's a fantasy, fostered by wishful thinking idiots who pretend they can save the titanic by re-arranging the deck chairs.
And whilst I couldn't give a tinkers curse what they get up to, they shout how clever they are, and pretend they have the answers,
and that eventually impacts my culture ....which certainly does have some of the answers.
And I do care about that.

What they are vicariously implying is, to my community, a hateful and damaging lie.

I said a few months ago that I'm tired of having the 'discussion' about all this.
I just want to answer with blows from a cudgel with nails sticking out of it.
How does it impact your culture? Surely you are free to manage your land as you see fit so long as it's within the law? Can't they do the same or do you have a problem with that? Bison, not so terribly different to your average bovine surely?
 

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