C.Max authorized in beans on the continent, but as you pointed out not here. Who knows why?
Black grass 2021
- Thread starter Dog
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That was one of the things that vexed me about the EU- approval wasn't europe wide?!?!C.Max authorized in beans on the continent, but as you pointed out not here. Who knows why?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Meh. Too open.
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
Beans are classed as a major crop so need full registration
minor crops can be given clearance at much lower cost
Avadex was used on beans till the reregistration of Avadex which did not include beans
minor crops can be given clearance at much lower cost
Avadex was used on beans till the reregistration of Avadex which did not include beans
Back in the 1970 I put a product on a leyl called Norton or Norton the self same day product today is xerton , at the rates applyed in the 1970s it took all the annually meadow grass out of a ley and left the productive grasses. It is also use on super beet under a diferent name is think. It is in some surcumstances it is recomended to add to the stack against black grass but unfortunately the rate it can be used is far to low , One agronomist said I was just wasting my time using it. If it could be used at the rates of the 70s it could have been a game changer.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Xerton on BG in wheat added a bit but not enough for the cost. Flufenacet is the mainstay pre and post. Expect that means it will soon be banned.
You are most likely be corect but will it help to try and stop resistance building by using diferent chemicals . Would it be possible to mix it with cristal ? I have mixed it with flufenacet and dff.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I'll check my recs. I think I did 3lt crystal plus flufenacet, FB xerton plus liberator.
yellow belly
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- Location
- south west lincolnshire
By the time flufenacet is banned it will have resistance issues of farms the do not have good cultural practices
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Without flufenacet I'd say december drilled wheat would still be out of the question.
Honestly, what rates are you using over 360g/ha. 0.6l/ha Liberator plus 120g generic FFT applied pre-em on first wheat here after osr. Blackgrass is still coming and at at one leave along with crop.
Medium to heavy soil and could travel. Is further 120g/ha FFT eg 2l/ha Crystal an option without stressing or thinning wheat.
Atlantis waste of money due to resistance and too late for Avadex.
Anyone reverted back to Topik and had good results early on?
Any help appreciated
Medium to heavy soil and could travel. Is further 120g/ha FFT eg 2l/ha Crystal an option without stressing or thinning wheat.
Atlantis waste of money due to resistance and too late for Avadex.
Anyone reverted back to Topik and had good results early on?
Any help appreciated
Is Atlantis absolutely useless then even against 1 leaf BG? I would have expected some control after such a hot pre-em. Others will have more experience and relevant advice than me but I can’t help but feel uneasy at the reliance you would place on FFCT. In my high pressure situations I have used proclus and avadex with liberator rather than upping FFCT too much. Other options you have are defy, pdm and dff which you haven’t already used (well a bit of dff in the pre em) or perhaps all three together 
? I have had good results from monolith plus half rate liberator but that was in the spring. Sorry not to be more help but FFCT does seem very crop safe. Someone like @teslacoils might be the man to ask.
? I have had good results from monolith plus half rate liberator but that was in the spring. Sorry not to be more help but FFCT does seem very crop safe. Someone like @teslacoils might be the man to ask.- Location
- East yorks
When was it drilled?
Tractor Boy
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- Location
- Suffolk
I used 0.6 liberator with either Avadex factor or 2L Defy pre em. I then followed up at 1-2 leaf with 120g straight ffct. Some fields I am now finding single leaf blackgrass and so have decided to treat some areas where I know there is an issue with a further 0.3L liberator and 3L Defy. Most of the wheat was drilled late Sept but it seems to me the only blackgrass I can find is single leaf and must’ve chitted since 20th Oct.
I have never used this much ffct before but understand a lot of people now use between 360-480. Atlantis type products are a complete waste of time as I think a lot of blackgrass resistance now is target site to ALS inhibitors so you don’t get any control regardless of whether the pre em stack has softened the blackgrass or not.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
If you've drilled it, and put 360g flufenacet on it, got some nice rain and there is *still* too much BG, then quite honestly if the weather is with you I'd just either spray it off now and redrill with wheat from the heap then go with 0.6 generic liberator, or say stuff it and DD spring barley in April.
There's a difference between finding a single bg and finding too much. Wheat is £190/t - how much BG will you tolerate?
So in terms of flufenacet, I've seen 0.6 liberator followed by 0.6 liberator. Most I've done in one dollop was 360g.
You ought know if Atlantis will work before you spray it in my opinion. Not sure what your weed spectrum is but avadex factor and 2lt defy, again in my opinion, would not add as much as an extra 0.3 of generic liberator. I'd prefer straight flufenacet rather than more dff in the tank.
There's a difference between finding a single bg and finding too much. Wheat is £190/t - how much BG will you tolerate?
So in terms of flufenacet, I've seen 0.6 liberator followed by 0.6 liberator. Most I've done in one dollop was 360g.
You ought know if Atlantis will work before you spray it in my opinion. Not sure what your weed spectrum is but avadex factor and 2lt defy, again in my opinion, would not add as much as an extra 0.3 of generic liberator. I'd prefer straight flufenacet rather than more dff in the tank.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I drilled mid October and went with 0.6 liberator plus the new aclonifen thing. Added 3lt defy after min till grass ley. Seems to be doing well. I'd expect to be back with Atlantis plus residual (stomp as I've got it in the cupboard) but only as Atlantis hasn't been used in 10+ years and resistance has not appeared.
For my 2p unless it's a forest you yield loss at best will be similar to giving it 4lt roundup and redrilling, then applying 240g of the least expensive flufenacet you can find.
I'm not an agronomist. Just opinion.
For my 2p unless it's a forest you yield loss at best will be similar to giving it 4lt roundup and redrilling, then applying 240g of the least expensive flufenacet you can find.
I'm not an agronomist. Just opinion.