Black lives demo.

yin ewe

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Livestock Farmer
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Co Antrim
Unfortunately myself and Mrs Cz have been disagreeing over these protests. I say, just keep your head down and keep out of trouble. She retaliates, that if everyone had done that there would still be a Berlin Wall and Czechoslovakia would still be under ussr control.

The USSR was an oppressive and dangerous regime though, was it not? Black people in the UK aren't being oppressed in the same way as those people, or maybe they are.
 

Henarar

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Somerset
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czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
The USSR was an oppressive and dangerous regime though, was it not? Black people in the UK aren't being oppressed in the same way as those people, or maybe they are.

are you able to walk in another mans shoes ?

also how do you know how oppressive and dangerous it was? Were you there?
Seems to me my wife lived a life, went to school, went ice skating, ballet etc etc
 

yin ewe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
No I don't have any idea what it was like, but doubt that what black people are 'suffering' in the UK today is anything like comparable.
As you say if you keep your head down and get on with life, trouble rarely comes your way.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
No I don't have any idea what it was like, but doubt that what black people are 'suffering' in the UK today is anything like comparable.
As you say if you keep your head down and get on with life, trouble rarely comes your way.

She thinks it’s probably worse.
To your last sentence - yes and it’s unfortunate - she basically says I am a coward then o_O :(. Never thought that myself. Her dad was straight out protesting...
 

yin ewe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
She thinks it’s probably worse.
To your last sentence - yes and it’s unfortunate - she basically says I am a coward then o_O :(. Never thought that myself. Her dad was straight out protesting...

Probably has a lot to do with how you're brought up too, my parents were firmly in the head down, don't go looking for trouble category. I've never been on a protest in my life, never felt the need, perhaps I'm apathetic or just pathetic.
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
I never went on the Countryside Alliance march in London when Blair was banning hunting. though my wife and daughters did. That was a massive affair, unusual in that it was completely peaceful and they took their litter home with them. Having said that it was a waste of time , so if you want to have your voice heard the moral of the story is create as much sh1t as you can because good behaviour is not rewarded.
 

nivilla1982

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I think a lot of Irish volunteered & gave their lives for the British Army & RAF so we shouldn't dismiss their contribution.
Also Ireland provided ports for the Royal Navy to use for the war in the Atlantic which helped to turn the tide against the Germans.
The Irish Free State did not provide any ports in the Battle of Atlantic, they did however provide an air corridor over Donegal to allow long range planes fly from bases in Northern Ireland to lessen the gap in the Atlantic where there was no air cover.

Incidentally there is a statue in Dublin to a Sean Russel an IRA member who died on board a U Boat. As part of an operation to improve cooperation between the IRA and German Intelligence
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
The Irish Free State did not provide any ports in the Battle of Atlantic, they did however provide an air corridor over Donegal to allow long range planes fly from bases in Northern Ireland to lessen the gap in the Atlantic where there was no air cover.

Incidentally there is a statue in Dublin to a Sean Russel an IRA member who died on board a U Boat. As part of an operation to improve cooperation between the IRA and German Intelligence
I am surprised Ashy hasn’t mentioned Sean Russell. :cautious:
 
The Irish shared intelligence with the British.
British ships did use Irish docks, in some cases for repairs.

The IRA did in part support the Germans, not for the love of Germany, but more because they opposed Britain.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, can anyone think where that applies these days ;)
 

Danllan

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She thinks it’s probably worse.
To your last sentence - yes and it’s unfortunate - she basically says I am a coward then o_O :(. Never thought that myself. Her dad was straight out protesting...
I visited the Eastern Blok, as was, before the wall came down and have several friends who were brought up and lived there, Slovakia, Russia - Belorus, mostly - East Germany and , Poland, all now living in the UK. Their stories vary quite a bit, from relatively little restrictions in Slovakia (Czechoslovakia...), a bit more in Poland, more in Russia, up to quite a lot in East Germany, sometimes amounting to actual intimidation and occasional remanding for some of her family.

Please ask Mrs Czechmate what she thinks is so awful now in the UK, it would be interesting to know.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
I visited the Eastern Blok, as was, before the wall came down and have several friends who were brought up and lived there, Slovakia, Russia - Belorus, mostly - East Germany and , Poland, all now living in the UK. Their stories vary quite a bit, from relatively little restrictions in Slovakia (Czechoslovakia...), a bit more in Poland, more in Russia, up to quite a lot in East Germany, sometimes amounting to actual intimidation and occasional remanding for some of her family.

Please ask Mrs Czechmate what she thinks is so awful now in the UK, it would be interesting to know.


As a parent (sadly she is not) education is very important. I can tell you, from what I can see her education in Czechoslovakia under soviet control was far better than was mine or my kids and I know for a fact that the education my family received in rural Leicestershire was ten times that available to dark kids now in inner cities.
Talking like for like, state schooling here.
Now, you are guilty here of what you regularly accuse others of. I wrote “probably worse” which you have hyped up to “so awful”
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Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
As a parent (sadly she is not) education is very important. I can tell you, from what I can see here education in Czechoslovakia under soviet control was far better than was mine or my kids and I know for a fact that the education my family received in rural Leicestershire was ten times that available to dark kids now in inner cities.
Talking like for like, state schooling here.
Now, you are guilty here of what you regularly accuse others of. I wrote “probably worse” which you have hyped up to “so awful”
?‍♂️
Quite right, that's me banged to rights guv and no mistake. But the word 'oppression' was in the air and lead me to excess...

Yet the figures tend to dispute what you say, the money spent and facilities available to ethnic minority children in, e.g. London, outstrips the rest of the country as far as the state sector goes. And it wouldn't explain, out of the home / family anyway, why Oriental (What have I written?! :nailbiting:) and Indian ( :arghh: ) children do so well.

'Dark'? Brave man, I think Dame Edna's 'tinted' is probably on a par with that. Hmm... perhaps we should ask the more enlightened - get it? - such as @SilliamWhale to write a list of words in order of acceptability to woke types, after all we don't want them melting down. :)
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
The Irish shared intelligence with the British.
British ships did use Irish docks, in some cases for repairs.

The IRA did in part support the Germans, not for the love of Germany, but more because they opposed Britain.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, can anyone think where that applies these days ;)
Remarkable that SF did not realise that this was not simply an Anglo-German war. It smacks of irrational behaviour and it was not an isolated case. I think DeValera did not approve and distanced himself from the party. Talking of ED, where is his statue?
 
I can’t actually imagine that any one person ever did think it was an Anglo-German war :scratchhead:
People forget how many nations were involved. Indicated by the imbecilic statements like, "we beat the Germans in the war" or "they couldn't beat us in the war so they are trying to get us back now"

Highly unintelligent I know, but these people have voices, even if they don't engaged their brains before using them.
 

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