Blenky resigns?

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Thanks. It's not just us two though, in fact far from it.

Behind the scenes there's a group of us working together. Forum members have been compaining about the backstabbing incident, writing to AHDB, NFU, AIC, RT, MP's etc.

Too many people involved to mention individually, but certainly a very determined group effort (y)

echo this

there is a great group all pushing hard on this
 

roscoe erf

Member
Livestock Farmer
Most ‘premium’ products are produced to extra criteria, organised by the retailers/processors.
RT is just the base level used, who’s standards the processors could enforce themselves if they were bothered enough. It adds nothing.
But not how it was sold to some at the beginning they were paid a premium trouble is when the rest were forced to join the premium vanished
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Well I am outspoken and say it as I see it, I have never been taken to one side and spoken to or told to be nicer or quieter.

climb that greasy pole Sid and sadly it’s only a matter of time if you want to get to the top

right now, at country level you are of no real relevance sadly, they just like to let you think you are so the support and £ keeps coming in

as other ex county level NFU people on this thread have already posted you will work it out one day and feel very cheated
 
power corrupts over time, no doubt about that whatsoever and agriculture has reached a level of corruption that has become intolerable now

opposition is important to hold those in power to account, opposition/ competition has been completely missing from Uk agriculture until recently

I don't think it is even that power that is the issue. Looking in it just seems a faux-fame merry-go-round where each personality jumps into the appointed slot at the appropriate time, enjoys the lime light, takes the salary/pension and makes all the right noises before jumping on to the next one. If you are surrounded by a lot of other ducks making the same quack in the same echo-chamber then you just become convinced you are right keep taking the salary and forget whatever it was that used to bother you or the industry at a grassroots level because you've clearly got more important things to do with your time.
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
At Groundswell in 2019 Alan Savory talked of large organisations taking on a life of their own, with even well meaning individuals getting sucked in and swept along with the self preservation of the organisation.
Forget all his terminology on the subject, but seems to me the NFU, and RT are a good example of this.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
At Groundswell in 2019 Alan Savory talked of large organisations taking on a life of their own, with even well meaning individuals getting sucked in and swept along with the self preservation of the organisation.
Forget all his terminology on the subject, but seems to me the NFU, and RT are a good example of this.
"self preservation". Yes, very appropriate terminology.

RT rules mean AIC can charge all the feed mills to be UFAS assured. AIC rules mean RT and SQC can charge all the farmers to be RT assured (but imports are exempt from same rules).

Hauliers can't shift grain or feed unless they are TASCC (or similar). That's in both the AIC and RT rules.

AIC are one of the members/owners of SQC.

AIC employees have board positions at RT.

AIC own the TASCC scheme.

AHDB and NFU are guarantors of RT.

Nice.

...unless you're a farmer, a mill, TASCC haulier, or the end consumer paying for all the costs.

And if we ask for change, we're met with obstruction. Apparently no appetite to change.

Wonder why?
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
"self preservation". Yes, very appropriate terminology.

RT rules mean AIC can charge all the feed mills to be UFAS assured. AIC rules mean RT and SQC can charge all the farmers to be RT assured (but imports are exempt from same rules).

Hauliers can't shift grain or feed unless they are TASCC (or similar). That's in both the AIC and RT rules.

AIC are one of the members/owners of SQC.

AIC employees have board positions at RT.

AIC own the TASCC scheme.

AHDB and NFU are guarantors of RT.

Nice.

...unless you're a farmer, a mill, TASCC haulier, or the end consumer paying for all the costs.

And if we ask for change, we're met with obstruction. Apparently no appetite to change.

Wonder why?

Because apparently the only problem is US!
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
"self preservation". Yes, very appropriate terminology.

RT rules mean AIC can charge all the feed mills to be UFAS assured. AIC rules mean RT and SQC can charge all the farmers to be RT assured (but imports are exempt from same rules).

Hauliers can't shift grain or feed unless they are TASCC (or similar). That's in both the AIC and RT rules.

AIC are one of the members/owners of SQC.

AIC employees have board positions at RT.

AIC own the TASCC scheme.

AHDB and NFU are guarantors of RT.

Nice.

...unless you're a farmer, a mill, TASCC haulier, or the end consumer paying for all the costs.

And if we ask for change, we're met with obstruction. Apparently no appetite to change.

Wonder why?
Has anyone addded up what these parasites are milking out of the industry?
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
Just a small point, but I do feel that NFU Cymru paid staff are providing an invaluable service to their members and I am loathe to see them tarred with the same brush.

The Office Holders are just mouthpieces really ....... bit like ministers

Imagine if there was a Boris type freelancing as NFU President .....

Actually was just talking about this. There are so many good paid regional elements to the NFU as well (@Sid said the same earlier). Which all provide a great point of contact for farmers. However, there does seem to be a disconnect between regional and head office. A bit like there is between local MPs and then what Boris does.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
At Groundswell in 2019 Alan Savory talked of large organisations taking on a life of their own, with even well meaning individuals getting sucked in and swept along with the self preservation of the organisation.
Forget all his terminology on the subject, but seems to me the NFU, and RT are a good example of this.

yes I recall this - he described exactly what is going in in Uk agriculture
 
"self preservation". Yes, very appropriate terminology.

RT rules mean AIC can charge all the feed mills to be UFAS assured. AIC rules mean RT and SQC can charge all the farmers to be RT assured (but imports are exempt from same rules).

Hauliers can't shift grain or feed unless they are TASCC (or similar). That's in both the AIC and RT rules.

AIC are one of the members/owners of SQC.

AIC employees have board positions at RT.

AIC own the TASCC scheme.

AHDB and NFU are guarantors of RT.

Nice.

...unless you're a farmer, a mill, TASCC haulier, or the end consumer paying for all the costs.

And if we ask for change, we're met with obstruction. Apparently no appetite to change.

Wonder why?

And the worst part of it is that it doesn't make anyone on this list a single extra shilling- it is all extra cost- and is just a paper exercise that means absolutely nothing in the eyes of the consumer.

It's not even that grain passports, TASCC or little stickers are a guarantee of anything - those same hauliers can haul grain one morning and then something imported from the docks the next and it makes no difference. Might even be two different loads heading to the same destination. What is the point?
 

robs1

Member
At Groundswell in 2019 Alan Savory talked of large organisations taking on a life of their own, with even well meaning individuals getting sucked in and swept along with the self preservation of the organisation.
Forget all his terminology on the subject, but seems to me the NFU, and RT are a good example of this.
Plenty of farmer run co ops are the same, countrywide farmers being one and we know how that ended, mole valley going the same way, empire building and forgetting why they started
 

Poorbuthappy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Getting too big, prices often not competitive and stock levels appalling, stores full of food and horse stuff etc, personally I spend far less there now, no fert, rarely fuel,

Indeed, me too. I would say gone same way.
Can get both wellies and fencer batteries less than 2/3 the price (same brands) delivered to my door. Dog food similar.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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