Blood sucking ahdb

simon w

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i Don’t no any producer getting 10%. but I think I will leave it there , we have done what we set out to do and I have no reason to carry on posting so I will wish you all best and goodbye.
John Bratley, Peter Thorold and Simon Redden (white rabbit) started this thread on 2nd June last year and, with help from the forum, have shown the very serious short comings of the ahdb horticulture sector. They have brought together the growers with the same views and after forcing a vote have shown they are in the majority. They also forced a vote for the potato sector and I hope this will have the same result. They weren't "whingers or moaners" they got on and did something about it. This could only be achieved by contacting fellow growers and getting their views. Using their time and money they conducted a review which confirmed their concerns. I say well done and thank you for giving us a chance to have a say in the future and showing that farmers will not stand for others knowing what's best , as highlighted by the RT referendum now on the forum.
 

Highland Mule

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John Bratley, Peter Thorold and Simon Redden (white rabbit) started this thread on 2nd June last year and, with help from the forum, have shown the very serious short comings of the ahdb horticulture sector. They have brought together the growers with the same views and after forcing a vote have shown they are in the majority. They also forced a vote for the potato sector and I hope this will have the same result. They weren't "whingers or moaners" they got on and did something about it. This could only be achieved by contacting fellow growers and getting their views. Using their time and money they conducted a review which confirmed their concerns. I say well done and thank you for giving us a chance to have a say in the future and showing that farmers will not stand for others knowing what's best , as highlighted by the RT referendum now on the forum.

Serious question - do you think the result would have been the same if they hadn’t used dirty tricks, lied and slandered the staff of AHDB?
 
Serious question - do you think the result would have been the same if they hadn’t used dirty tricks, lied and slandered the staff of AHDB?
I would say yes, the result would have been the same.
Rightly or wrongly most people don’t vote on debated issues but on their gut feelings most would have known how they would vote in the last general election without listening to the candidates. Most knew how they would vote in the Brexit referendum as soon as it was announced and most would know which way they would vote in the ahdb referendum based on their longer standing opinions of how much if any value they felt they got from it.
White Rabbit and his chums pushed for and got this referendum but I very much doubt they influenced many on which way to vote.

All my personal opinion of course based on no hard evidence
 

Highland Mule

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I would say yes, the result would have been the same.
Rightly or wrongly most people don’t vote on debated issues but on their gut feelings most would have known how they would vote in the last general election without listening to the candidates. Most knew how they would vote in the Brexit referendum as soon as it was announced and most would know which way they would vote in the ahdb referendum based on their longer standing opinions of how much if any value they felt they got from it.
White Rabbit and his chums pushed for and got this referendum but I very much doubt they influenced many on which way to vote.

All my personal opinion of course based on no hard evidence

Seems a shame that Peter damaged his personal and professional reputation if that’s the case. I know I’m only one, but I’d personally avoid any of his produce if the company name popped up on a label.
 
Seems a shame that Peter damaged his personal and professional reputation if that’s the case. I know I’m only one, but I’d personally avoid any of his produce if the company name popped up on a label.
I’m convinced most people vote on gut feelings, I don’t think a particularly good case was presented on here ............to put it mildly but the vote still went his way
 

simon w

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Hayling Island
Serious question - do you think the result would have been the same if they hadn’t used dirty tricks, lied and slandered the staff of AHDB?
The result is the growers opinion of the ahdb. They have haven't been influenced by anyone. White rabbit has given them a chance to vote. The review by defra was what started this because it was a sham, anyone including my 4 year old grandson could have taken part, it was open to all and only 0.4% of levy payers responded. Then the ahdb said it gave them a "clear mandate to continue". I don't know about lies but this was not the truth.
 

Highland Mule

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The review by defra was what started this because it was a sham, anyone including my 4 year old grandson could have taken part, it was open to all and only 0.4% of levy payers responded. Then the ahdb said it gave them a "clear mandate to continue". I don't know about lies but this was not the truth.

I wasn’t involved in the vote, and don’t know the details, but if the response rate was as you suggest then I’d say the message was fairly clear that levy payers didn’t care about the levy.
 
I wasn’t involved in the vote, and don’t know the details, but if the response rate was as you suggest then I’d say the message was fairly clear that levy payers didn’t care about the levy.
Or were disillusioned and didn’t believe responding to a consultation would be of any use.
Plenty of people seem to be of the opinion that consultations are a sham, the consultations are just an announcement of what is going to happen and are only given to give the impression that people have a say.

Wether that’s a fair assessment of that or any other consultation I don’t know but it’s certainly how many feel about consultations.
 

simon w

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I wasn’t involved in the vote, and don’t know the details, but if the response rate was as you suggest then I’d say the message was fairly clear that levy payers didn’t care about the levy.
You are clearly wrong, because when white rabbit circulated the levy payers who were the ones the review should have been sent to in the first place. I believe over 70% responded.
 

Highland Mule

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Or were disillusioned and didn’t believe responding to a consultation would be of any use.
Plenty of people seem to be of the opinion that consultations are a sham, the consultations are just an announcement of what is going to happen and are only given to give the impression that people have a say.

Wether that’s a fair assessment of that or any other consultation I don’t know but it’s certainly how many feel about consultations.


Plenty seem to have responded to this one (myself included).
 

Henarar

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Somerset

Plenty seem to have responded to this one (myself included).
we wait to see if it will do any good
 

simon w

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Hayling Island
So why didn’t they respond to the survey then?
They probably didn't even know about it. You know all the history of this I can remember you telling white rabbit he was wasting his time circulating levy payers and he should just call for a vote.It was the defra review and ahdb response that put peoples backs up. Much the same as Red Tractor now.
 

Highland Mule

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They probably didn't even know about it. You know all the history of this I can remember you telling white rabbit he was wasting his time circulating levy payers and he should just call for a vote.It was the defra review and ahdb response that put peoples backs up. Much the same as Red Tractor now.

Fair enough, and no I don’t know the history of the survey - only what I’ve read on here from Peter and I don’t tend to believe what he writes any more.
 
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simon w

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Hayling Island
Fair enough, and no I don’t know the history of the survey - only what I’ve read on here from Simon and I don’t tend to believe what he writes any more.
It looks as if it your turn to be part of a consultation over live exports. It is very frustrating when the results are skewed and they have decided the out come before it has started.This has happened with the reviews of ahdb and now red tractor and many others, good luck I hope you get a result.
 

Highland Mule

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It looks as if it your turn to be part of a consultation over live exports. It is very frustrating when the results are skewed and they have decided the out come before it has started.This has happened with the reviews of ahdb and now red tractor and many others, good luck I hope you get a result.

Thankyou, and apologies for the previous post - on reading back just now I realise that "Simon" should have been "Peter" - will edit.
 

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