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Farming News - Peter Kendal appointed chair of AHDB

Farming online news Peter Kendal appointed chair of AHDB

farming.co.uk

£50k/year for two days a week in 2014 (presumably 104 days with some journalistic licence, so about £110k FTE). It's now £55k, so a 10% increase over the last six years, so not a huge change. I don't know what his day to day work entails, but effectively he's chairing the board of a 500 professional staff/ £70M turnover concern. I wonder what the private sector equivalent would be?

a lot more! its like i said further up the thread, all fine aslong as thy are adding value and accountable

 

[An Gof]

Farming News - Peter Kendal appointed chair of AHDB

Farming online news Peter Kendal appointed chair of AHDB

farming.co.uk

£50k/year for two days a week in 2014 (presumably 104 days with some journalistic licence, so about £110k FTE). It's now £55k, so a 10% increase over the last six years, so not a huge change. I don't know what his day to day work entails, but effectively he's chairing the board of a 500 professional staff/ £70M turnover concern. I wonder what the private sector equivalent would be?

i have no problem with the sector board and sector chair remuneration level. It’s effectively government set and in line with other boards.
I was just trying to help clarify issues.

 

[Tarw Coch]

It's £307/day as declared, and the source of the money isn't important. She is putting herself in the public eye for one, on what I suspect is a personal contract basis (no pension, no holiday pay etc.) and hence has no job security and plenty of job scrutiny. Compare that with a private sector non-exec board equivalent and she would be on far more for far less. Sure, it's better than a farm labourer or Tesco worker, but it's not going to attract the sort of talent that's needed to drive a whole industry forwards.

Of course the source of the money is important, it’s coming out of farmers levy.
I agree that top people will command a top salary which is fine if ahdb were delivering clear and demonstrateable benefit to levy payers but with many felling they get little or no benefit from ahdb that’s not the case.
If ahdb were providing value for money presumably @whiterabbit wouldn’t have started this thread

 

[JP1]

Of course the source of the money is important, it’s coming out of farmers levy.
I agree that top people will command a top salary which is fine if ahdb were delivering clear and demonstrateable benefit to levy payers but with many felling they get little or no benefit from ahdb that’s not the case.
If ahdb were providing value for money presumably @whiterabbit wouldn’t have started this thread

^^^^^^ this

Stated far earlier on the thread and also in the BBC R4 interview by the spokesman this morning, it's about compulsory levy without any clear deliverables. In fact the point was made if it was leading edge for the veg (or pig sector) you may be better sending the money straight to the Netherlands for better value and advice

 

[Highland Mule]

To a point, re WR starting the thread, but his behaviour here also suggests that they could be doing a fantastic job and he still wouldn’t notice.

I’m not convinced that there is “many felling they get little or no benefit from ahdb”(sic) as the only true metric we have (requests for removal) suggests otherwise.

Sorry @Tarw Coch , @JP1 - that was in reply to your posts above.

 

[Henarar]

^^^^^^ this

Stated far earlier on the thread and also in the BBC R4 interview by the spokesman this morning, it's about compulsory levy without any clear deliverables. In fact the point was made if it was leading edge for the veg (or pig sector) you may be better sending the money straight to the Netherlands for better value and advice

we haven't heard from any small growers [unless I missed it] as to if they get value from AHDB
If its only the big supermarket suppliers that want it gone I hope they fail as they will only give the money they save to some landlord or more likely some supermarket as they screw them a bit more

 

[Tarw Coch]

The only way I can see ahdb being fully accountable to farmers is to become a subscription service, if they genuinely deliver value for money farmers will subscribe, if they don’t they won’t.

I would suggest that ahdb is made a subscription service in a fixed period of time, say 5 years. That would give them time to prove their worth after which farmers are free to subscribe or not. If they truly deliver value for money they should have little to fear.

 

[Highland Mule]

The only way I can see ahdb being fully accountable to farmers is to become a subscription service, if they genuinely deliver value for money farmers will subscribe, if they don’t they won’t.

I would suggest that ahdb is made a subscription service in a fixed period of time, say 5 years. That would give them time to prove their worth after which farmers are free to subscribe or not. If they truly deliver value for money they should have little to fear.

Absolutely disagree, as those that pay would get totally screwed by those that don’t. The IP would be shared on sites like this and there would be no incentive to subscribe. How would marketing work?

 

[JP1]

we haven't heard from any small growers [unless I missed it] as to if they get value from AHDB
If its only the big supermarket suppliers that want it gone I hope they fail as they will only give the money they save to some landlord or more likely some supermarket as they screw them a bit more

Not sure how you work that one out to be honest. How does the AHDB help the small guy?

 

[Highland Mule]

Not sure how you work that one out to be honest. How does the AHDB help the small guy?

Marketing, market price insight, scops - ones that I immediately am aware of, but there will be plenty more.

Have a look on their website, or the forum here.

 

[Henarar]

Not sure how you work that one out to be honest. How does the AHDB help the small guy?

I use it a bit but that's irrelevant as we are talking about the horti sector
I didn't actually say it benefits them I said we hadn't heard

 

[JP1]

Marketing, market price insight, scops - ones that I immediately am aware of, but there will be plenty more.

Have a look on their website, or the forum here.

It's illegal for them to market, hence why they steadfastly refuse to directly promote British produce.

I am fast coming round to the idea that Knowledge Transfer is asking for your watch so they can tel you the time no matter how dated the time piece is. Have you ever noticed how much more advanced the pig and horticultural sectors are in The Netherlands?

 

[Highland Mule]

It's illegal for them to market, hence why they steadfastly refuse to directly promote British produce.

I am fast coming round to the idea that Knowledge Transfer is asking for your watch so they can tel you the time no matter how dated the time piece is. Have you ever noticed how much more advanced the pig and horticultural sectors are in The Netherlands?

https://ahdb.org.uk/marketing

 

[Tarw Coch]

Absolutely disagree, as those that pay would get totally screwed by those that don’t. The IP would be shared on sites like this and there would be no incentive to subscribe. How would marketing work?

As a dairy farmer I haven’t a clue what benefit ahdb is to me but on the subject of marketing there is often about 10ppl difference between various milk buyers and just after cv19 lockdown that more than doubled, so I’m not sure what benefit those on the lower prices are getting from ahdb marketing, milk buyer has far more influence on price received

 

[Henarar]

It's illegal for them to market, hence why they steadfastly refuse to directly promote British produce.

don't think that is true

 

[An Gof]

Not sure how you work that one out to be honest. How does the AHDB help the small guy?

If a “small guy” engages with the work Ahdb do I their sector they can get fantastic value for money.
I attended a monitor farm meeting where Philip Wright was presenting. It was an excellent event at which I learnt a great deal. Probably only a dozen people there. Where could I get time like from an industry expert in such a small group with no fee on the day. There is a wealth of opportunities available if you look for them and engage.
I still think I get excellent values for money from my cereal and oilseed levy
Eblex have yet to seduce me in the same way. To my mind they spend too much of beef time on suckler production and I’m not in that game.

 

[White rabbit]

We are still waiting for all the other requests under freedom of information then we could move on to that an gof,these people seem to have a unwritten law of their own,I suppose nobody has ever questioned what they are doing since they were formed and they just do not know how to deal with it.

 

[JP1]

I use it a bit but that's irrelevant as we are talking about the horti sector
I didn't actually say it benefits them I said we hadn't heard

Er no you mentioned smaller growers. As I understand it the horti sector tithe is based on turnover not enterprise size and they pay through the nose in a market with tighter margins and exacting standards than we face tbh

 

[JP1]

If a “small guy” engages with the work Ahdb do I their sector they can get fantastic value for money.
I attended a monitor farm meeting where Philip Wright was presenting. It was an excellent event at which I learnt a great deal. Probably only a dozen people there. Where could I get time like from an industry expert in such a small group with no fee on the day. There is a wealth of opportunities available if you look for them and engage.
I still think I get excellent values for money from my cereal and oilseed levy
Eblex have yet to seduce me in the same way. To my mind they spend too much of beef time on suckler production and I’m not in that game.

If the small guy went to The Netherlands or took their advice instead? If I was growing Cornish caulis I might want growing advice from the Netherlands or Brittany or future marketing trends from California tbh ..............

 

[Henarar]

Er no you mentioned smaller growers. As I understand it the horti sector tithe is based on turnover not enterprise size and they pay through the nose in a market with tighter margins and exacting standards than we face tbh

never said I didn't mention smaller growers, I said we hadn't heard from them
I know I shouldn't assume but I think it reasonable to assume that a small grower wouldn't turn over so much