Blood sucking ahdb

[Highland Mule]

Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion and that’s why the ballot is in the statute.
Horticulture has spoken, Potato growers now have their chance to decide.
As for the rest of you, I hope you continue paying and receive good value for money which obviously you are but if not you know what to do.

We are indeed entitled to our opinions but not our own facts - therein lies the difference. Whilst the staff would have been subject to purdah rules on a statutory ballot, WR could lie away to his heart’s content on here and in his mailings.

 

[simon w]

I will say one thing highland mule you don't give up on the "lies" assertions, but in this case you are flogging a dead horse.

 

[Highland Mule]

I will say one thing highland mule you don't give up on the "lies" assertions, but in this case you are flogging a dead horse.

Decending those who are not allowed to defend themselves. I’ve been on the other side in a past life, and it’s not pleasant.

And no need for the “” either. They have been shown to be lies throughout, and no attempt made to justify otherwise.

 

[Bestriding Spraak]

Do you even know that AHDB did that? The ballot results including weighting were from the ballot company and not from AHDB.

Where’s the lie anyway ? If you’re sure it’s a lie, you must have evidence that the data is incorrect, surely?

Read back a few pages - I’m not going to reiterate it again.

And no, I have no connection with AHDB. My comments are not pathetic either, but entirely factual.

Where do you get your facts from?
Have you not read all the negative press concerning management of AHDB during the last 12 years, it’s a lost cause on some sectors but if yours has been a beneficiary all this time then lucky you but don’t expect the rest of us to cover the running costs any longer .

 

[Highland Mule]

Where do you get your facts from?
Have you not read all the negative press concerning management of AHDB during the last 12 years, it’s a lost cause on some sectors but if yours has been a beneficiary all this time then lucky you but don’t expect the rest of us to cover the running costs any longer .

Read what I wrote. I have no connection with AHDB.

And read the rest of the thread too, if you’re interested in the difference between fact and fiction.

 

[Bestriding Spraak]

We are indeed entitled to our opinions but not our own facts - therein lies the difference. Whilst the staff would have been subject to purdah rules on a statutory ballot, WR could lie away to his heart’s content on here and in his mailings.

Where is your evidence of these lies ? Or is it your assumption?

 

[Highland Mule]

Where is your evidence of these lies ? Or is it your assumption?

This thread. I’m not going over old pages again, but feel free to educate yourself.

 

[Bestriding Spraak]

No thanks, I have better things to do now we are back in control of several 1000’s of £ we were handing over to AHDB at last I can repair and renew things at our company helping productivity without being taxed on the additional turnover.
It’s like a weight taken off our shoulders, Thanks to the Petitioners.

 

[Goweresque]

That’s not true - on a percentage of turnover, they are all very similar and Horti certainly doesn’t come out as worst.

But is the profit margin per pound of turnover the same across different sectors though? Just because different sectors pay the same rough % of turnover in levy does not mean that they are all paying a similar proportion of profits. If you are selling a high profit margin product you'll be paying a far lower percentage of your profits in levy than a person selling a low profit margin product.

Where can one see how the profit margin from selling £1000 of prime beef compares with that from selling £1000 of carrots, £1000 of milk or £1000 of wheat?

 

[Doc]

As an outsider looking in.
Well done @White rabbit for taking a stand and following through.

 

[Bestriding Spraak]

As an outsider looking in.
Well done @White rabbit for taking a stand and following through.

Yes well done , the AHDB never thought their income would get curtailed so it turned into a gravy train, they have never known what pressure is on a daily basis until now they have 2 ballots to contend with.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Where do people stand on the cereal levy?

50p for the farmer.
82p for osr

It must add up to a fair chunk of cash!

 

[ajd132]

Where do people stand on the cereal levy?

50p for the farmer.
82p for osr

It must add up to a fair chunk of cash!

An example is the long term cover crop trial. They used very expensive mixes and tried to drill green on the clay and concluded it lost you money. 10 minutes on the direct drilling section of this forum could have told you that.
another example reduced fungicide use. Niab had the same outcome 2 years before and we were already practicing it.

 

[Henarar]

That’s not true - on a percentage of turnover, they are all very similar and Horti certainly doesn’t come out as worst.

And what about per farmer ?
or per acre ?
or as a % of profit ?
why should a farmer with more turnover pay more ?
a larger turnover does not necessarily mean more profit does it ?
why do you keep basing it on turnover ?
do any other sectors base payments on turnover ?
if not why are you ?
is it because it supports your argument ?

 

[Tarw Coch]

And what about per farmer ?
or per acre ?
or as a % of profit ?
why should a farmer with more turnover pay more ?
a larger turnover does not necessarily mean more profit does it ?
why do you keep basing it on turnover ?
do any other sectors base payments on turnover ?
if not why are you ?
is it because it supports your argument ?

An interesting point, I bet there’d be a big difference to our tax bills if HMRC based income tax on turnover rather than profit.

 

[Henarar]

An interesting point, I bet there’d be a big difference to our tax bills if HMRC based income tax on turnover rather than profit.

It just seems an odd thing to base the levy on,
On its own turnover is quite a meaningless figure

 

[SilliamWhale]

An example is the long term cover crop trial. They used very expensive mixes and tried to drill green on the clay and concluded it lost you money. 10 minutes on the direct drilling section of this forum could have told you that.
another example reduced fungicide use. Niab had the same outcome 2 years before and we were already practicing it.

I wouldn't want them to go altogether I don't think

 

[Hindsight]

It just seems an odd thing to base the levy on,
On its own turnover is quite a meaningless figure

Hi H, in a world where many things are 'unfair' it was the least unfair method of extracting an ongoing payment from the Horticulture businesses at an amount likely to have minimal annual fluctuation.

The Cereals and Oilseed levy is same but disguised in a different format.

The presumption being an equal benefit in the services provided (R&D etc) to individual businesses, but if a per farmer levy that levy payment would fall more unfairly on the smaller farmer - as assumption is in a commodity production world turnover reflects more accurately business size.

 

[Hindsight]

I wouldn't want them to go altogether I don't think

Is that a double negative I spy?

 

[Highland Mule]

Hi H, in a world where many things are 'unfair' it was the least unfair method of extracting an ongoing payment from the Horticulture businesses at an amount likely to have minimal annual fluctuation.

The Cereals and Oilseed levy is same but disguised in a different format.

The presumption being an equal benefit in the services provided (R&D etc) to individual businesses, but if a per farmer levy that levy payment would fall more unfairly on the smaller farmer - as assumption is in a commodity production world turnover reflects more accurately business size.

What he said, plus less liable to fraud. I can easily make my company profits move by +- 100k, just by fiddling a few boxes on a spreadsheet and/ or sticking something into a separate holding company (Amazon). Not so easy to do it with turnover. Interesting to compare to Amazon too - the vast majority of the country is calling for it to pay more tax based on its higher turnover.